Oh dear Harriet Harman

Need to listen back, but I thought HH said something along the lines of if people thought candidates were taking the piss being on AWS, then nobody would vote for them

I just want to cry.

I'm still clinging on but I'm going to have to leave Labour over this, aren't I?

The thing is, given the way voting has gone in the past few years, we all know now that the unthinkable CAN and WILL happen. It's hard not to give up and go build a bunker.

I just wonder how it's all going to play out in reality. I worry that it will force a huge Trump like backlash towards the authoritarian right at some point if people feel forced to play along with no real counter voice or say in legislation.

I saw this linked earlier on another site.

www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/americans-less-comfortable-lgbt-people-now-172719953.html

It's US based and has nearly 6000 comments. Many of them sadly are outright homophobic but a large amount, based on the 100 or so I read are about trans ideology and the concerns for women and children. I fear that the L & G are really going to suffer as part of any backlash as seems to be playing out in the US.

Don't give up Natural, please. Take a break, charge your batteries and come back. We need you. In the meantime, other women will keep fighting.

I understand how you feel. I need to take a break from it periodically. I have never seen anything like it in my life and I have always been a political junkie.

She didn’t just say it, she was very firm about it. I give up, honestly. I reckon a good 70% on twitter (not representative of the population I’ll agree) believe it.

I cna't square it with this published yesterday:
HH on the importance of AWS

TBH I don't think the tories have any interest whatsoever in pushing this one through. The ones who are going to push for it are labour, they need to be being written to daily at this point.

Dodo, I don't think it has been considered, sadly. Janice Turner did an interview with Maria Miller about the implications, and MM got so hacked off that she didn't know how to respond to the questions that she called it a stitch up and stormed out. If I'm.remembering correctly.

'I think I just heard Harriet Harman on the World at One saying she agrees with JC on self-identification onto AWS'

PLEASE be kidding. Jesus, I am so sick of this. Is there no politician apart from David Davies (not the Brexit muppet) who is willing to stand up on the side of science and fact and reason and right? FFS

Yes, I was coming on to say does she not have form for supporting appalling ideas in the name of progress? Get it out on twitter.

In some ways I wish I could go back to thinking that JC and HH and all are right that self-ID is a good idea, that it has no unintended outcomes, that women and girls and old-school transwomen are going to be at no greater risk.

Maybe I should go and meet a signed-up Self-ID Is Great MP and see if I'm convinced.

Maybe they have thought it all through and will be putting in firm, useful safeguards throughout that uphold safety and dignity and fairness and equality.

I wish.

He is an arse, remember her past support of the information network in the 70s ?!

Yep, I heard it and was disappointed that it was even raised without a companion question about the fact that self-ID for AWS (for Parliamentary elections) would appear to be shaky legally. This is this whole point of this being an issue at the moment.

I wasn't surprised that HH is a firm believer. It wouldn't surprise me if she knows nothing of the issues except what she's been told by "the correct" side.