Oh dear Harriet Harman

CM has an engaging voice, but she had no formal education - and it shows. She's great on topics that fall within her personal experience, but she doesn't have much range or ability to appraise a subject critically, which is why her Wolverhampton childhood is endlessly recycled.

I'm not saying that people without a formal education can't be extremely sensible and intelligent, only that - in CM's case - it does seem to limit her as a writer.

It's almost as though it's only women who are expected to step aside to be nice. Men have too many serious and important things to do.

Owen Smith probably got a hard time from momentum (I can't remember tbh) but he didn't step down from his role as leader to be nice...

Theresa May has been through a hard time as leader, so I assume he won't be running against her in the future?

What he basically said when interviewed was that transwomen have been through a hard time, and we should therefore be nice to them. He can be nice to people if he wants to. Doesn't make them women though.
He'll do anything to cling on to what power he has.

Yes, I was hopeful of Corbyn. An experienced politician, but not beholden to any special interest groups that could pull his strings. Instead, he seems to be naive and uninformed, and happy to be so. No groups had pulled his strings in the past, because no group considered it worth doing so. But it is worth it now he's party leader, and it turns out he's incredibly easy to manipulate and Momentum are getting right in there.

I am hoping against hope that Jeremy Corbyn will have his trans vs feminists conversation with Linda Bellos [as promised on Marr] and he will be peak transed and henceforth withdraw all this silliness about self id being official Labour policy.

I agree with JC on most other social and economic issues and fervently hope that the Tories go down in flames at the next election... but I cannot say with any certainty that I will vote Labour at that time if the self id issue is not resolved satisfactorily and after proper and respectful consultation with gender critical feminists.

Me too, Lotta and Nanny.

'I actually used to like Jeremy and have some respect for him. '

Same here. Cried with happiness when he got elected leader. Really thought things would change for the better. I feel like a mug now

So much for being a man of principle, aligning himself with this gaslighting bullshit. Surely he doesn't actually believe it

I’m one of the ones that joined. But only to see if I can make a change. Not sure if it is worth it considering that absolute foolishness that is carrying on in the party at the moment.

I actually used to like Jeremy and have some respect for him. More fool me.

And how plausible is that, anyone who knows about these things care to speculate?

I've just read that 5000 members of the LP resigned last week,suggested explanation is that members who voted Remain have now accepted that the LP will not challenge Brexit.
.819 new members over the same period

Bearing children, I guess.

Well even Lily Madigan reckons she can get pregnant and there is all sorts of talk about womb transplants.

Although I suspect if one day 'trans women' could find themselves carrying and giving birth to a baby themselves and all the shit that entails, most of them would probably actually say 'um, no thanks' and stick with ejaculating into a woman's vagina as their part in becoming a 'mother'.

Yep. And a couple of UKIP people (not MPs afaik - can't remember)

Never could understand why CM became a MN sweetheart.

Wonder if she’s had a rethink since the trans brolly broadened...

I still feel like I am in the midst of some awful TV series about a future dystopia where women are forced to say that men are women or else they are punished.

I feel like this too. Seems like it was only five minutes ago I was watching The Handmaid's Tale. The one thing missing for me is spelling out how we could have got from the world as it is today to the world where women's rights can be stripped away overnight.

I think I'm starting to get it.

What are the bleeding, XX women actually left with in this brave new world? In the world where we can no longer access sport, privacy, dedicated services? Where we no longer have our own identity? What's left that no one will want to appropriate?

Bearing children, I guess. Drudge work. Carrying the mental load.

Sounds familiar.

just jumps on whichever bandwagon is down with the kids.

I suspect that's why most politicians are backing this. Neither side wants to lose the youth vote by appearing 'bigoted'. Transactivism is huge amongst young people - it's their 'gay rights'.

Sadly it feels like pissing in the wind sometimes with so few prominent women (or men) willing to speak out. Like so many other situations the groundwork will have to be done by those who are already disenfranchised in many ways. No doubt if the direction takes a strong turn then they will jump on board to reap some reward.

I could be doxxed from now until Xmas but it wouldn't matter that much. See I'm one of those women who had a disabled child (a biological reality very few give a shit about) so any career or job opportunities are in the gutter anyway and have been for some time.

Maybe I would lose loads of friends...no wait..having a disabled child culled most of those over the years.

Maybe I would feel like I couldn't leave the house because of other peoples opinions of me...except...oh yeah that's right I can rarely leave as it is.

Never mind, it's not like being a vagina person has any bearing on the above at all.

It is absolute, relentless, collective insanity.

I do think if one woman found the ovaries to speak up, others would follow.

I swear finding gender critical people in the public eye is like crawling through the desert looking for water. You're so desperate you see mirages all over the place and think, "Oh! I think he/she might actually understand that sex is a rea -oh wait, no, they've been challenged and they're dutifully repeating 'trans women are women'." Should really be used to finding that anything that looks like water is actually just more sand by now.

You're so right Violet. She has the odd brilliant moment but apart from that, its a try-hard cringe fest from her

I used to really like Caitlin Moran but think she just jumps on whichever bandwagon is down with the kids.

'Someone saying to a transgender woman, 'You're not a proper woman because you weren't physically born a woman' '

Well then WHAT THE ACTUAL JEFF IS A WOMAN if not someone who was born female???? Oh sorry, I forgot - feelz, and ladybrain, and mascara and fabulousness. FFS. For the thousandth time today

Mrsmiguel, I suspect you're spot on with your comment about her knowing what pays the bills.