Radio 4 29/01/18 at 1pm - Martha Kearney on World at One

"HomeTerf* I felt sorry for Linda though. There is SO MUCH to say on this that it's hard to know where to start.

Exactly, and knowing Liam's tactis is always to twist it to make the other person the aggressor, if it had been me being interviewed I would have written down a few challenging phrases and kept repeating them until he gave me an answer.

But then, the thing was edited, mixed about, etc, so it wasn't even a debate of him vs her.

Pointless programme which has not helped our cause one whit.

Bit of a dog's breakfast that interview. However, we are still at the stage of getting it into the public arena, which is an important first step. Once it becomes a big issue with everyone there will be a chance to get to the real nub of the problem. Shouldn't take long at this rate now Corbyn as broken cover (well sort of).

By the way, hearing Lily for the first time, my reaction was that they are a camp gay man. All that sibilance!

I wish I could have heard:

1. If you follow Madigan's argument to its logical conclusion, you could have an All Women's shortlist comprised entirely of people with penises and none with vaginas. Would that be okay with Labour?

2. Besides, a woman is an adult human female by definition, d'oh. But if Madigan thinks not perhaps a different definition could be provided?

3. List of specifically women's issues ,which pps have listed above.

But yes maybe some other parts of the interview were edited out.

The briefing room sounds good though.

WH wouldn't touch with a barge pole following the issues with JM last year imo.

I think those trailers are about a phenomenon where someone changed sex and their work was then recognised (can't remember details) - unconscious bias against women.

Absolutely agreed hipsterfun but I think WH would get the issue to the kind of audience that might not be aware of it currently and would be pretty outraged to discover what's going on. An additional programme examining it in depth, and how we've arrived at where we are, is also needed.

(Incidentally, I've heard trailers for a programme about gender - what it means to be female? - on tonight I think. Must check that out.)

There’s too much to cover in a WH segment. The issue needs to be examined in depth

Perhaps it could be a good topic for David Aaronovitch* to cover in The Briefing Room.

• twitter.com/DAaronovitch/status/916664792823291904

DD 21 does not want 'he' is able to represent women!

If I was Linda Bellos, I'd get lawyered up. Lily is treading on very think ice indeed.

There’s too much to cover in a WH segment. The issue needs to be examined in depth as superficially it seems to many to be fairly straightforward (be inclusive, don’t fall into the ‘new homophobia’).

Lily sounded so petulant. I could imagine Lily with arms crossed and a scowl - Lily isn't a natural in this position. Lily reminds me of a lot of my gay male friends I had when I was an adolescent.

That reads appallingly!

Was disappointed the nuisance of self ID and GRC was lost.

Just listened to it on the podcast, didn't think it got the main issues out that need to be said.

I'm hoping that it being featured on World at One means that Woman's Hour will pick it up soon. I don't see how they can go on ignoring it.

Did she not know JC was never a big EU fan?

Were we listening to the same radio segment?

My daughter signed up and voted and is no longer a member nor is she interested. She is more interested in Brexit and getting a good career post graduation. She is most disappointed in Corbyn's stance post Brexit and will 'never forgive him' for it!!

What a total waste of an excellent opportunity! Miserably disappointed. I wish Linda had asked Liam to define woman and to explain how a man can belong to the sex that produces sperm, and also belong to the sex who produces eggs!

The presenter allowed the interview to be hijacked and Linda was forced into the defensive.

The average listener will now walk away with the idea that the purpose of the programme was to show that Black "loonie lefty" Labour women are violent!

And apparently labour do need to be careful:

The myth of the 2017 'youthquake' electionwww.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42747342

Madigan sounded like they were stuck in a record. It's off putting and in no way endearing to their 'cause' whatever that is.

But editing mean't that Madigan went first and Bellos was second, so Madigan's speech was lost somewhat.

I disagree entirely with what Nauticant wrote. I didn't get that at all.

I still can't get my head around the CFery of ducking out of a debate in which you know your argument will be PULVERISED and retreating to the moral high ground. What the actual fuck? How was that allowed?

In Lily's media, Lily does keep emphasising how much they can represent young Labour members and trans members. Any woman over 30 is going to think, "in what way are you representing me?"

Someone at Radio 4 needs to get a full-length programme on the issues made, pronto. Better still, a two-parter.

All aspects, all points of view.

Who knows how much was cut though.

I felt sorry for Linda though. There is SO MUCH to say on this that it's hard to know where to start. You could hear the adrenaline in her voice, and the discussion was derailed from the outset by the 'violence' thing, which was a total red herring.