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No more #nodebate

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DailyWTFMoments · 28/01/2018 17:19

If you told me a week ago that Andrew Marr would ask Senior political figures "is a trans woman a woman?" on his show this morning, I'd have scoffed.

The #nodebate mantra has been well and truly blown out of the water - a consequence of LM abusing her position - but, more importantly, that acted as a catalyst, and the result is that women everywhere, including here on MN, are refusing to be silenced, and are willing to step forward and tell their story to the world.

Thank you to all those women Thanks

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Thehairthebod · 29/01/2018 09:31

I like #useyourwords.

As a Reception teacher I used to say it a lot to 4 and 5 year olds if they were having a tantrum.

So it seems very apt in this context Smile

ChemistryGeek · 29/01/2018 09:25

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2018username · 29/01/2018 09:13

I like #useyourwords and #deluded! I will not have politics dictated by a group of 12 year olds who have en masse died their hair blue in an effort to be individual! It's fucking ridiculous. Actually I like #fuckingridiculous I have been using #labourlosingwomen and any other trending hashtag I can use to draw attention to the cause. They want our votes they can bid for them!

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 29/01/2018 08:49

I wasn't convinced Corbyn understood what's meant by self-id when he described it as involving 'a process ... with trauma'

TheNerevarine · 29/01/2018 08:46

Actually, I think the OP had it perfectly right from the off with #nomorenodebate. It's reasonable, sensible, and it's quite suggestive of how the other side have been shutting down debate.

Mumsnut · 29/01/2018 08:39

#whyareyouafraidofdebate?#

Lancelottie · 29/01/2018 08:37

I can guarantee that many of those listening will have thought he was saying ‘yes, transwomen are biological women who present as men, so that’s fine, they can still be on the shortlist.’

Relatively few people actually understand the terminology. Lots of people think, no, it can’t mean that, doesn’t make sense, that can’t be happening.

Beachcomber · 29/01/2018 08:10

Myunicornfliessideways totally agree with you.

I wish one of them would say "I can't believe we are even having this conversation. We all know what a woman is and it isn't anything other than an adult human female."

PerfPower · 29/01/2018 08:04

This is the same man that thought he had won the election last year though. #deluded.

Justabunchofcunts · 29/01/2018 03:19

It is this culture of fear that needs to shift. Transactivists arguments won't stand up in daylight. Not to say by any means that all transwomen are like this.

Justabunchofcunts · 29/01/2018 03:15

Me too. Also very very angry. And determined to do something about it.

OtterInDisgrace · 29/01/2018 02:51

I’m so sad about all this.

thebewilderness · 29/01/2018 02:46

It's all rather 15th century, innit?

Justabunchofcunts · 29/01/2018 00:36

#weneedtotalkaboutsex

Myunicornfliessideways · 28/01/2018 23:28

Not just in someone's head; exclusively in a man's head.

The utter disgust I have for a bunch of men entrusted with public office actually sitting around discussing what a woman is and whether women should be allowed a voice regarding a massive roll back on their identity and rights.... and not one of them has the intelligence to notice they have now lost the plot and any basic common sense or morality so badly that they shouldn't be left in charge of a lemonade stand, never mind public responsibilities.

OnTheList · 28/01/2018 20:29

Yes, I am so glad this is coming into mainstream. I kind of wish Marr had pushed them a little though. As Corbyns position from what I have read is clearly ridiculous so would be happy for him to be made to state that he believes women are not a biological reality and are instead a feeling in someones head.

BlindYeo · 28/01/2018 19:37

#freespeech

Ereshkigal · 28/01/2018 19:34

Love #yesdebate, it's perfect.

rowdywoman1 · 28/01/2018 19:17

I like #yesdebate

InfiniteSheldon · 28/01/2018 19:04

#novagina ?

ladyballs · 28/01/2018 19:00

#yesdebate

Myunicornfliessideways · 28/01/2018 18:49

#useyourwords

#notshuttingup

#growup

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DailyWTFMoments · 28/01/2018 18:45

David Lidington (Tory) blustered for a bit, then threw Justine Greening under a bus and said a consultation with all sides will take place.

Jeremy Corbyn said, categorically, that Labour believe that self-identifying trans women are women.

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SisterMoonshine · 28/01/2018 18:37

What did the senior political figures say?

athingthateveryoneneeds · 28/01/2018 18:27

The ideology can't hold up to scrutiny. It's great to see this discussed, dissected and TALKED about from various angles.

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