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Any gender critical Green Party members on here?

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Justabunchofcunts · 28/01/2018 17:10

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Justabunchofcunts · 29/01/2018 14:51

This looks interesting. Not a political party but still. www.socfem.net/2018/01/one-womans-journey

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OvaHere · 29/01/2018 14:16

I've always been a bit of a floating voter but have voted Labour more often than I have not. I find the party politics vs local community tricky when it comes to GE. Our last constituent MP was Tory and he was a genuinely decent bloke that did an awful lot locally. In the last election I wanted to vote Labour nationally but really struggled with ousting him personally. He did lose to the Labour candidate in the end and I sort of regret it for a multitude of reasons.

I'd like to think politics could become less tribal at some point.

hipsterfun · 29/01/2018 14:08

No question I would choose the second as the lesser of two evils.

Me too, I fear.

seafoodeatit · 29/01/2018 12:54

Most of us are politically homeless now. Let's hope that the conservatives are paying attention and scrap the GRA. I can't believe what I'm writing...

BossyBitch · 29/01/2018 12:45

So who exactly can I vote for, then?

Labour has Stalineque-d itself out of the running, the Greens are no better apparently, I'd be struggling to find common ground with the Tories on anything if my life depended on it and the LibDems can't be trusted not to flip-flop on any given issue, thus making the question of agreeing rather irrelevant. I'm not even into the Whigs idea - way too economically liberal for my liking.

Also, I'm on the record as vehemently opposing voter apathy so can hardly not vote without copious amounts of hypocrisy being involved.

CecilyNeville · 29/01/2018 12:36

Umm ... anyone fancy reviving the Whigs?

Justabunchofcunts · 29/01/2018 12:24

I would not vote UKIP. If the Tories got their act together on the GRA I would absolutely vote for them to stop the self-ID changes going through. Erase my right to organise on a sex basis against discrimination probably permanently vs up to 4 years of the Tories in power? No question I would choose the second as the lesser of two evils.

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DickTERFin · 29/01/2018 12:20

I've voted for them in the past, but won't be again. Same with Labour.

I had mused about voting Lib Dem but there are clearly just as bad.

Tory/UKIP - never in a million years... so that leaves nobody.

Ekphrasis - Your sister may be onto something, I would give her party due consideration, no doubt.

Justabunchofcunts · 29/01/2018 11:59

Yes Mner exactly.

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UpABitLate · 29/01/2018 11:54

Stick their dick in!

Ekphrasis · 29/01/2018 11:53

My sister actually stood as a green candidate a few years ago and has abandoned them due to all this.

She's also wandering in the wilderness (possibly looking to set up own party/ be independent.)

UpABitLate · 29/01/2018 11:53

I left lib dems over theirs ideas about prostitution and age of consent. Many of them are keen to "liberalise" who they can stick their fuck in for cash. No thanks.

I've joined and left all the "lefty" parties now I think! None are interested in women at all. We are 50% of population. Depressing.

Ekphrasis · 29/01/2018 11:52

Following with interest.

I often vote libdem regarding other policies and am very disappointed to find out they're as bad of not worse (I asked elsewhere on mn previously, but no links).

I have no idea who to vote for.

JC doesn't have the hero worship from me that my friends and peers have. And with increasing evidence in other areas. I think he's a great politician (past issues eg IRA and Middle East aside - actually quite bad when you look into it) but not a good leader. My Dh thinks he's going to break the Labour Party for good.

Justabunchofcunts · 29/01/2018 11:28

Morris, can you expand re:lib dems? Are there links?

Would really like there to be a party with a balanced voice on this (and that isn't UKIP) but if not would like to challenge thinking.

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Mner · 29/01/2018 11:20

Ooooh thanks for that itsallgoing. I am now following along with nearly 2000 others. We are not alone.

I am not too happy re the prostitution stuff either but there will never be a party that anyone would agree with completely. The gender/sex stuff feels more difficult to ignore as it is fundamental to who we are. If we can't identify as a group, how can we tackle other issues like prostitution.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 29/01/2018 09:07

gendercriticalgreens.wordpress.com

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 29/01/2018 09:07

For those of you on twitter it may be worth giving @gencritgreen a follow, (gendercriticalgreens.wordpress.com)

BeyondWitchbitchterf · 29/01/2018 08:56

Well there's definitely enough people here for a little club!! Grin

I'm waiting for the labour decision re AWS then I'll be writing to all of my local candidates.

Tbh I'm baffled as Greens (from the natural angle) make even less sense than Labour being pro trans (from the socialist angle). Shows how deep the cult has managed to worm itself into political thinking.

CecilyNeville · 29/01/2018 08:48

That Lib Dem 'Trans Manifesto' doesn't say anything explicit about self-ID. Have they said anything since? They have seemed a bit quiet on the issue over the last couple of weeks. They can possibly sense an opportunity to pick up some Labour women.

MorrisZapp · 29/01/2018 08:35

LibDems are worse than labour.

OnLiamsList · 29/01/2018 00:44

I cannot stomach their stance on prostitution being just another job and an empowering choice.

Dr Lucas does not agree with that stance but she didn't do much to fight her party on it. She just doesn't mention the issue any more.

I now have no party that represents me as a feminist.

Justabunchofcunts · 29/01/2018 00:30

Hi Mner sorry you feel that way. This climate of fear is ridiculous and not healthy for anyone. It makes me feel really uneasy on so many different levels. It's crazy.

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Mner · 29/01/2018 00:06

I am a Green Party member, volunteer, voter and am gender critical. I am really torn on what to do as I like my local green people but am wary of actually putting my head above the parapet

LostMyLunchMoney · 28/01/2018 23:52

Thinking back to my last ballot paper - the only party (barring UKIP) that I'm not aware of throwing women under the trans bus is The Monster Raving Loony Party. I'll have a dig and if they're still ok on this issue I'll probably enjoy voting for them more than spoiling my ballot paper.

It's gutting that there is no credible party to vote for that is not actively working against my and my daughter's interests

BlindYeo · 28/01/2018 22:14

Lib Dems:

lgbt.libdems.org.uk/en/page/trans-manifesto