Any gender critical Green Party members on here?

Or wearing an adult nappy under a furry onesie....

I'm pleased to hear that discussions are going on within the party.

However, my personal option is that there needs to be a lot of substantive action taken before convincing former members/voters to return to the fold - never mind encouraging new members.

One of the biggest hurdles has to be the current leadership who not only allowed but actively encouraged a toxic culture to develop with the party in relation to squashing any attempt to debate policy on self ID, the GRA and women's rights.

Justice is swift within the party for anyone GC (even mildly so) yet the leeway given to members in the name of diversity is endless.

Actions not words...

Not a member but a former voter @greenchris

I don’t really understand how a woman let alone a feminist one can vote or support the current GP. They have erased women not only in the language they use (non-man WTAF), but in policy. Women’s rights and issues have been actively removed. It is not just the erasure of women subtly, it is an active dismissal of them.

The AC affair has highlighted that the party prioritises transgender issues and woke points above basic safeguarding let alone green issues.

And then there is the stance on prostitution.

The GP needs to have more than just discussion before I would ever consider entertaining the idea of giving them my vote again. How can a woman vote for a party that denies their existence and is actively campaigning for the erasure of their rights?

current thread which has links to both versions of the Veritas Report re David Challenor/ Aimee Challenor / Safeguarding / Green Party officers / process etc

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3474311-Veritas-report-due-tomorrow-Thursday-at-midday-re-Aimee-Challenor

datun summed it up nicely. It doesn’t get any worse than the Challenors house being Coventry party HQ and simultaneously the place a young girl was raped and tortured. The fact that AC has alluded to this by taking a photo of them self at bottom of attic steps while wearing a girl guide badge is in the public domain, yet somehow the trans shield allows them to continue in a different party (lib dems) as well as working with stonewall etc.
It just beggars belief. AC, Jess Bradley, Sarah Brown et al are laughing at us all. It’s there in plain sight and no one will say it. The emperor is not wearing any clothes. The emperor is naked

Ffs

From the 2018 Spring Conference Final Agenda:

www.greenparty.org.uk/resources/Conference/Spring%202018/Final%20Agenda%20Comp.pdf

Proposed amendments to policy (which were subsequently adopted):

Old text

RA406 ... Green Party further recognises that gender issues may be a rightful cause for an asylum claim, as where, for example, a woman or girl may be subject to female genital mutilation or forced marriage were she to be denied asylum. We will adopt...

Amended to

claim, as where, for example, a person may be subject to female genital mutilation or forced marriage were they to be denied asylum. We will adopt...

Reason

The use of gendered language goes against the Green Party's ethos.

I won't be rejoining the SGP any time soon. They have only just reinforced the TWAW view so I don't see their stance changing in the next couple of years. Harvie would have to leave and is sadly looking like the most secure MSP at the moment.

Hey @greenchris are we now woman again to you, rather than non-men?

Who is GreenChris?

Sorry if I've missed something...but a single person saying "keep the faith" means nothing when the leadership of a party have demonstrated (for years) a distinctive lack of understanding over quite fundamental issues.

Woman = adult human female.

They are debating whether or not 'we don't give a fuck what happens to women and children' is a reasonable position to hold

No words

A child rapist who was a furry and transvestite, raped and tortured a child, in his house, which was the headquarters of the local branch. And was convicted and sentenced to 22 years.

It honestly doesn't really get much more extreme.

You have to ask yourself quite how far it had to go before There's a huge internal debate going on in the Green Party right now about women's issues.

Women had been complaining about their rights under transgenderism to the Green party for years.

How on earth would anyone be able to justify ignoring women, until something like that happened?

And learn this lesson.

The Green Party devoted lots of resources of time and energy into helping and promoting Aimee Challenor. No other ordinary member would ever have been accorded such preferential treatment but the transgender shield ensured that AC was protected and indulged even as AC was expressly working to alienate ordinary members and voters.

And what did the GP get out of it in the end? A child rapist in the party and AC leaving and predictably denouncing the GP for "transphobia". The resulting press coverage and investigation making sure that the GP's failures were laid bare for all to see.

DC and AC would not have been able to do so much damage to the party had certain Green Party members not conspired together to make AC effectively untouchable.

The Green party actively assisted AC in this

This is the problem. It wasn't a case of a few bad apples or some kind of misunderstanding or the party leadership being unaware of local problems.

Many people tried to raise concerns at all levels and they were consistently ignored, isolated, silenced, insulted, smeared or made the subject of complaints and in one case legal action. The organisation as a whole has become dysfunctional, despite the undoubted involvement of brilliant and principled activists at a grassroots level.

The Green Party has to make some positive noises before I would consider voting for them, let alone joining as a member.

I won't forget that just a few months ago, one of the co-leaders, Sian Berry, tried to get three women removed from outside the GP Conference venue in Bristol. The women were handing out FairPlay for Women GRA leaflets in a public place. The police were called.

This is the party that believes that sex-work (sic) is made safer by the decriminalisation of the buying and selling of sexual services to men.

Unlike other parties, it does not publish a manifesto for Women. Instead it has a Gender Equality manifesto (because transwomen are women and transmen are men).

It has been hi-jacked by groups promoting hobby-horses that have nothing to do with social and environmental justice.

It will take a long, long time for this small party to shake out those members who have jumped on its back. It will take even longer to get rid of those people at the top who subscribe to transgender privileges before women's rights.

Until they do a reverse ferret, they are off my radar as a contender for my vote.

GreenChris, in future only allow those members who have demonstrated commitment and actual hard bloody work on environmental issues to be elected to positions of responsibility within the party.

AC cared not one whit about the environment and spent their entire Green career hounding women and trying to silence anyone who tried to talk about the issues that transgenderism causes for women. The Green party actively assisted AC in this.

The Greens are very vulnerable to entryism as the Challenor episode demonstrates. Certain of the Green members (and the LGBT wing is particularly awful in this regard) never actually talk about environmental issues at all, far less get out there and DO anything. It is all denuciations of TERFs, McCarthyist witch hunts on Twitter, and working together to co-ordinate complaints to force out other members who demonstrate wrongthink in their eyes.

That's what these people think green activism actually is. And the party leaders are too cowed and too cowardly to act.

Action, not words.

I looked for that LibDemLGBT+ tweet supporting their friend Aimee Chellenor.

I'm pretty damn green lifestyle-wise but I'd never join a party that has no concept of safeguarding or psychology or biology and who still, after all this, needs to debate who a woman is.

I'm sure some members are good eggs but they are far outweighed by the seriously deficient, and working for change from the inside is sometimes a lost cause.

Plus I think some of your policies and economics are highly questionable and suffer from being based on a fundamental misunderstanding of people and I'm no right winger. The same wokeness that promotes narcissists and sociopaths will have serious consequences, and they in particular wont give a shit about saving the planet or humanity. .

If the party has a massive evolution though you might get my vote.

Greenchris .. I work in the sector and I'm sorry, but Challenor knew NOTHING about Green politics (I'll warrant my 6 year old has a better grasp of some of the key issues)

Even leaving aside everything else (I know, large ask), the Green Party alienated green voters by prioritising identity politics over what should be their core issue (Deputy Leader??????!)

There are some outstanding young minds in green policy. If the objective was to appeal to the youth vote then there were plenty of really deserving, exceptionally bright young things. That really was a kick in the teeth for anyone who voted for them because, whilst some of their policies are a bit mad, and fluffy, their heart was in the right place and wow, Caroline Lucas (not anymore 😢)

I'm seriously considering the Green Party (having left the LP last year) on the strength of the clear, public GC voices of party activists my area.
If they can be so 'out', there must be a debate in the party.

ex Green Party member here. I left because I was concerned about unchecked misogynist rhetoric in party policy. But now I know that the party employed somebody accused of raping and torturing a little girl, allowed the perpetrator to continue to influence policy wrt issues related to safeguarding, apparently didn't even realise that this was a safeguarding issue until forced to it by a public outcry, and still shows no understanding whatsoever of the seriousness of its failures, I can more easily imagine joining the Presidents Club than rejoining the greens.

@GreenChris I left the GP because of Aimee and her father. I'm politically homeless because of what they did. We know what they did and we know who knew. We know how they shit down criticism because they built tech to do so. We know women have been thrown under a bus. David C's victim has years of therapy and pain ahead, whilst the planet crumbles...

If there was a gender critical Green Party start up Party I would sign up in a heartbeat.

I work hard every day to do what I can to reduce the harm me and my family cause to this planet and the GP have been navel gazing and elevating a naive, young transwoman beyond her capabilities and judgement because it suited them to have a 'woke' representative. Shame on you. I trusted you. I'm furious and I'm going to need some damn good convincing to return.

@GreenChris I left the GP because of Aimee and her father. I'm politically homeless because of what they did. We know what they did and we know who knew. We know how they shit down criticism because they built tech to do so. We know women have been thrown under a bus. David C's victim has years of therapy and pain ahead, whilst the planet crumbles...

If there was a gender critical Green Party start up Party I would sign up in a heartbeat.

I work hard every day to do what I can to reduce the harm me and my family cause to this planet and the GP have been navel gazing and elevating a naive, young transwoman beyond her capabilities and judgement because it suited them to have a 'woke' representative. Shame on you. I trusted you. I'm furious and I'm going to need some damn good convincing to return.

Oh Chris, are you serious? Posters on here have seen many parties disregard women's concerns. Are they going to get an apology? Acknowledgment of mistakes made? Actions, words, you know the saying ...