Andrew Marr asking gov minister "So is a trans woman a woman?"

A lot of lefty men really don't like women at all, and they like women who disagree with them even less.

I wonder if this is an extension of The Nice Guy phenomena?

Gender is a protected characteristic. So it should work both ways.

I can’t say I’m a 90 year old, gay Asian Hindu male because I feel like it.

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If a Conservative said "The whole point has to be about the identity and rights of the individual" the left would be shouting about the nasty party and Thatcher's 'no such thing as society'. What the hell is Corbyn doing coming out with such right wing statements?

there's no such thing as society; only individuals.... to paraphrase Thatcher

Corbyn says "The whole point has to be about the identity and rights of the individual"

And we're not supposed to notice that defence of individualism is a right wing position and about as far from socialism as you can get?

WHY DOES NOBODY EVER MAKE IT CLEAR? (Sorry to shout.)

Exactly this.

The question should be so 85% of transwomen who keep their penis and are attracted to women, are women? And their penis is a female organ?

But why are these men incapable of applying the same thought to sexism as to say, racism or classism?

Corbyn says "The whole point has to be about the identity and rights of the individual "

But he is only interested in the identity and the rights of the individuals with penises.

Those without penises can shut up, hand their identity and rights over and get back in their box. Fuck that Jeremy.

Thinking back, the most abuse I got over political views (and I'm a green/moderate left sort of person) was from angry young men trying to force me to buy the Socialist Worker mag when I was a student. When I politely declined, I would get a mouthful of abuse, angry , aggressive ranting, and even stuff shouted after me as i walked away. This happened regularly. A lot of lefty men really don't like women at all, and they like women who disagree with them even less.

I voted Labour in the last election. Never again. Why wasn't he pressed on this? Asked to define woman? Asked why Labour are trying to change our language to exclude women etc. Also the "feminists have nothing to fear"...What a patronising mansplaining twat.

Just watched this.

Corbyn says "The whole point has to be about the identity and rights of the individual "

How can he be (to paraphrase) so caring-sharing, responsibility to each other, blah blah, yet suddenly individualistic on this? There seems to be a massive blind spot for lefty men where women are concerned.

Do you reckon we could get Corbyn on here for a webchat?

Last time Corbyn came on, he avoided the question completely. And of course there were no shortage of people asking about favourite biscuits and such so he was easily able to avoid the more serious questions.

2 men discussing issues that impact women in ways they cannot comprehend.

Fascism is what it is.
Male supremacy is what it is.
Privilege is what it is.

Random ‘Thai’ there

‘this’

I’m no political animal but Thai doesn’t feel very ‘Corbyn’.

I hit peak trans some time ago but I think this is probably the moment that'll spark me into writing to my (normally very decent, safe seat Labour) MP.

I will ask on Site Stuff about the webchat thing.

Do you reckon we could get Corbyn on here for a webchat? Or any senior Labour figure actually?

Very good suggestion, although I'll be staggered if any one of them have the guts. The thing infuriating me today with this and with the article about 'Marie' the rapist pining away with sadness over not being allowed his hairstraighteners and to terrorise women, is that the information being given to the public is being so blatantly, unashamedly spun to remove all the information that represents women's voices. The public are being fed a strictly edited, restricted view that prevents any of them getting the full picture and God Forbid actually making an informed decision over who is right and who is wrong in this.

This is no longer about two valid sides of a debate, it is about a situation that is ethically and morally wrong, and against the law. And men in situations of high power are getting away with it.

The proportion of the Labour party that don't want Corbyn as leader seem to be happy to say nothing and let this happen.

I wish Marr would have got down to the nitty gritty and asked Corbyn if he supported the erasing and removal of the civil rights from 51% of the population.
And also gone in on the absurdity that is identifying as BAME or disabled.
That would have shown this bullshit agenda as the nonsense it is.
Corbyns answer didn't shock me though, Labour has gone so far down this path, I wouldn't be surprised if they started campaigning for the rights of people to piss on lampposts as they identified as dogs.
Rant over

Well there's the hill he's going to die on.

Twat.

Do you reckon we could get Corbyn on here for a webchat?

Or any senior Labour figure actually?

I suspect that they'd see the issues very clearly then.

I really don't think I will ever vote Labour again.

Is Corbyn getting bad advice from interested parties and/or is he really this thick? Why is nobody in his inner circle setting him straight?

Either way, until Labour comes to its senses on this issue, they’ve lost another life-long voter here.