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Trans prisoner on hunger strike in men's prison

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QOFE · 27/01/2018 15:38

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Friends have written a letter saying "we demand that her identity as a woman is returned to her immediately".

Women in women's prisons don't get fucking straighteners or epilators either you ginormous self obsessed plonker.

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AngryAttackKittens · 27/01/2018 20:36

Is it that they don't know or that they don't care?

balaclavaknickers · 27/01/2018 20:36

Who are these people commenting in support on that petition? They appear to not even have the slightest inkling that Gary Marie's victims have had lifelong consequences of his crimes, and that women in the female estate will be in danger if he is moved. He is a sex offender. I despair.

WillowWept · 27/01/2018 20:31

Is there a hashtag for this story? I can't find any reference to it on twitter?

RedToothBrush · 27/01/2018 20:30

One of his previous victims has tried to commit suicide.

I wonder how well she is coping on hearing this shit.

I hope she is doing well, and has support.

As for this fucker. Na. Let him rot in a men's jail.

OlennasWimple · 27/01/2018 20:19

Gosh, Paris Lees et al are awfully quiet on Twitter about this case. Cant' think why....

PidgeonPodge · 27/01/2018 20:15

I think its gone beyond that now. Sex offenders will just learn what they need to say in therapy to tick the dysphoria box

Maybe a tightened GRC could work, which meant they couldn't get access to any other spaces but mens unless they go the whole hog, surgery, everything.

And then, if they did all that they'd still only be sent to a 'trans' wing or something.

That should weed them out shouldn't it?

OlennasWimple · 27/01/2018 20:15

POpchyck - I noticed that too, about the parole and breach of licence

Also, did you see the sentence that said "All she ever wanted to do was move forward with her life after working hard to identify the true cause of her offending."? It was being trans that made him a criminal, poor love

Popchyk · 27/01/2018 20:12

I'll have a dig on the internet, QOPE.

And yes, thank God the prison service are knocking them back at every turn. And in this case, the fact that "Marie" was recalled to prison suggests that the system is perhaps working.

I only hope that this person did not commit further offences against any women and girls while out on licence.

PencilsInSpace · 27/01/2018 20:04

TBF I reckon the prison service are very clued up on all this, hence their rejection of this scrote's claims to womanhood. I imagine it's a lot harder to get a GRC inside because you're being watched for the whole 2 year qualifying period and relying on prison doctors and psychologists, who are no fools, for your GD diagnosis.

Obviously if the process moves to self-ID all that's out the window and he'd be in a women's prison faster than you could say 'balaclava knickers'.

QOFE · 27/01/2018 20:04

Yes Popchyk I noticed that. I'd like to know more about the ruling tbh. Can anyone find out more or read the judge's reasoning online?

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AngryAttackKittens · 27/01/2018 20:02

I don't think sex offenders should even be allowed to change their names, makes it too easy for them to evade attempts to track them and avoid their inevitable later offenses being connected to the ones they were already convicted for.

boatyardblues · 27/01/2018 19:57

There needs to be a clear red line drawn between gender dysmorphia (diagnosed and correctly treated/therapy) and FETISHES.

I think its gone beyond that now. Sex offenders will just learn what they need to say in therapy to tick the dysphoria box. There’s no definitive way to prove whether or not someone's beliefs are sincerely held. The high numbers of sex offenders transitioning in prison should be sounding the alarm and prompting the review of existing legislation. There’s absolutely no way we should be considering relaxing the current safeguards.

Popchyk · 27/01/2018 19:53

Wait a bloody minute.

Have you read this? This is the petition to force the authorities to move "Marie".

www.change.org/p/preston-magistrates-court-stop-the-inhumane-and-degrading-treatment-of-transgender-women-within-the-justice-system

In it, the supporters helpfully point out that "Marie" was out on licence in three separate male hostels before being recalled to prison again.

So "Marie" got an IPP sentence (like in the John Worboys' case) and was let out, presumably last year or so.

boatyardblues · 27/01/2018 19:53

It says in the Lancashire Telegraph article linked to upthread that he was wearing a women’s thong and sports bra when arrested, and that his homemade black balaclava was fashioned from women’s knickers. Creepy fuck!

Identifying as a woman massively increases your access to young children in women’s changing facilities. I agree with the PP who said that sex offenders should not be allowed to have a GRC. All this deadnaming shit gives them a carte blanche to walk away from a problematic offending history. The completely new birth certificate is a problem for the same reason.

PidgeonPodge · 27/01/2018 19:44

There needs to be a clear red line drawn between gender dysmorphia (diagnosed and correctly treated/therapy) and FETISHES.

PidgeonPodge · 27/01/2018 19:40

Gary Dean Marie, 42, committed more than 30 offences, including voyeurism, aggravated burglary and assaulting police officers, a court heard yesterday

Marie, of Lubbock Street, Burnley, was a sexual offender who broke into several homes and filmed himself wearing underwear belonging to teenage girls in Burnley and Padiham, Preston Crown Court was told

FFS

Yeah, that sound exactly like someone who should be let lose in any place where women are often vulnerable.

Hopefully the more stories like this (where women haven't had to be hurt to bring it to the world's attention - excepting his prior victims of course) the better.

Popchyk · 27/01/2018 19:40

The Daily Mail article hasn't been changed, but the Comments section has someone commenting on the fact that he is a convicted sex offender. Probably someone from on here.

I suspect The Mail will then write a further article bashing the Guardian's reporting and will ignore the fact that it didn't mention the nature of his offences either.

And that's fine with me.

The more light on this the better.

Cauliflowersqueeze · 27/01/2018 19:39

I actually think he’d be safer in a men’s prison. Those women would lynch him.

Bubbington · 27/01/2018 19:29

I have emailed The Guardian, [email protected], I would like to tweet but I don't know how to!

OlennasWimple · 27/01/2018 19:19

The Express article from his original hearing in 2009 notes that he was also convicted of possessing indecent images of children. So he is a child sex offender, as well as a voyeur and fetishist.

But this never happens, and any woman who says that they don't want to share a changing room with TIM is just a nasty terfy bigot Hmm

UpstartCrow · 27/01/2018 19:13

The Express article includes a photo;
www.express.co.uk/news/uk/102792/Cross-dressing-burglar-is-locked-up

AngryAttackKittens · 27/01/2018 19:12

If that's him is it his pubes he's straightening? Because otherwise...

FreiasBathtub · 27/01/2018 19:11

Ugh, Guardian not even willing to hold up their hands and say they were wrong (can't see a correction notice on the mobile app anyway). They should at least acknowledge the incredible bias in their reporting before making paltry efforts to correct it!

TinklyLittleLaugh · 27/01/2018 19:06

Distinct lack of the trans handmaidens on this thread. I wonder why?

DodoPatrol · 27/01/2018 18:56

A fair and balanced headline would be 'Sex offending burglar prepared to die in hunger strike'.

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