Labour suspends activist in transgender row - Times article. Broadly sympathetic

I never thought I would ever say that the times was my fave publication. But it is.

It's the only paper that gives a shit about women nowadays.

Speaking of women, this is interesting... looks like the #Labourlosingwomen on Twitter is coming true. twitter.com/ncpoliticsuk/status/961537001689370624

Janice is always amazing on this topic. I don't think I have ever read any of her other stuff tbh. I never thought I would ever say that the times was my fave publication. But it is.

Well done Janice!

That's a great article. I'm so glad I subscribed!

Open access link. Janice Turner nails it.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-s-purge-of-the-trans-rights-heretics-p32khgn36?shareToken=00f866c5a5df8eab75e8968305e2d43d

I was very keen on Angela Rayner and Dawn Butler, very disappointing to see them spouting this bilge now.

Anyone know if Diane Abbott is a terf? Say what you like about her, I can’t see her being bullied into saying something she didn’t believe.

I believe brave new world, handmaids tale And especially Emperors new clothes would also be good reading!

The fact that it has already suspended some of these people suggests that these actions have been apposite.

Does it? Yes, I'm sure the actions of the Party are always above question. Have you read 1984, by George Orwell? I hear it's a useful manual for such things?

Whoever 'Ms Musson' is I would strongly suggest she spends her time 'monitoring' people who are actually damaging the reputation of Labour on social media and not women sticking up for the own rights.

On twitter currently there are representatives of labour making the current 'claims'.

1. Black women like trans women are a 'subset' of women.

2. It is a hate crime to call a man a man but calling a woman a bitch is fine.

3. Ignoring and mocking women's and trans concerns. Calling women 'TERFs' while using FGM and DV for virtue cookies.

Two of these people are male, one female. I find these views absolutely abhorrent and are the reason I will not be voting Labour.

This is same shit different day for Labour and I see absolutely no signs of them even attempting to tackle it.

Meanwhile their MP's block people for asking valid questions.

Im not sure who you are talking to inthe but this is an internet forum. We are talking about what's going on, not compiling a list of perceived crimethink to get people removed from their jobs or excluded from political parties.
It's not remotely comparable.

Isn't this rather hypocritical of you? You're doing exactly what you are complaining about Ms Musson doing. She is not compiling a "hate list", she is documenting incidences of behaviour which will be reported to the Labour Party. It is then up to the Labour Party to decide what its rules are and how it implements them. The fact that it has already suspended some of these people suggests that these actions have been apposite.

According to social media, Ms Musson has already had some modest success encouraging Trotskyists and rape apologists to leave local labour groups, again by diplomatically requiring that people follow the rules or get them changed.

It's really quite creepy that you should be "watching" her; I think you should examine your own motives.

I've come to believe that even with a GRC trans women shouldn't be able to apply for women's roles. They haven't had the same experience and disadvantages as women. Suffering and discrimination as a trans person maybe, but not the same as women's experience. Why not apply for specific trans roles instead which would better reflect their experience and discrimination?

elektrawoman There was a thread a while back but it was short and depressing. Even the Womens Equality Party is on onboard with the trans activists, there isnt a single party opposing it apart from possibly one of the minor right wing ones that no one wants to join.

Consensus was we need a new political party that supports womens rights.

OK, I have posted my comment on the Times website, have no idea why I was previously unable to post it.

Great that this is going out to more sources. The more people realise this is going on the better. Labour are a fucking joke, and Rayner is clearly not fit for purpose being involved in something like this. Same with Wes Streeting, though I don't really know who he is

How many people are on the list and where are you seeing it?

Comments on the times article are really encouraging IMO.

Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for posting all these articles and information, it’s really given me a different viewpoint on the Labour Party. Coming from a left wing background I always assumed I would be a Labour supporter but their actions on this issue (and Brexit) have really changed my mind.
Has there already been a thread about the different political parties and their policies on self ID?

The comments are great

One of the comments says:

The lack of judgement of people like Angela Raynor and Wes Streeting means they cannot be trusted with any senior position.

And in truth, this is where I'm standing vis a vis the Labour Party at the moment. Add in Dawn Butler, who kicked this whole thing off by saying TIMs would be able to self-ID onto AWS and is the Shadow Equalities minister, and thus betrayed an absolute ignorance of the law in her own brief. Add in total silence from Dear Leader on witch hunting inside the party. How could anyone trust this bunch of incompetents with poor judgement to run the country?

(And it bloody hurts me to say this.)

Breitbart
www.breitbart.com/london/2018/01/26/labour-suspends-feminist-campaigner-saying-women-dont-dcks/

Aisling Musson updated the hate list again at 1024 today, after the Times article.

She has removed Jennifer James from the list, doubtless because Jennifer is now suspended, which was supposedly the purpose of the list.

However, two women are retained on the list despite

1. Not being Labour Party members (which breaks the rules of the list)

1. Not having a folder of "evidence" uploaded alongside their names (which also breaks the rules of the list)

Aisling knows she is being watched, and she knows these women are not LP members. And yet she keeps their names on the list.

For what purpose, exactly? Intimidation? To scare them?

Have reported Aisling to her uni, to the LP and to the SU.

I read it as an entirely sympathetic article. I get the point people are making but I can't imagine there are m any Times readers out there thinking 'The Labour Party sounds completely reasonable on this one'

They will be losing voters over this. Can they continue to be this stupid?

This is the best article so far on the issue and the comments below fill the gaps well. It was cool-headed and feel I actually learned a couple of things through reading it.

It's great that this story is reaching the public, fantastic, but yy that the first line referring to "Transgender women" already works to skew sympathy in favour of TIMs.