Why DO people 'believe' transwomen are women?

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It's the collection and use of information posted online to identify otherwise anonymous posters.

TRAs have been known to publish the details of so-called terfs and allowed the details to be used in harassment campaigns incorporating employers, a person's clients and family members.

Filling personal and work Twitter feeds and Facebook timelines faster than the victim (or their employer) can block with abusive posts is one tactic.

See, I'm thinking elements as in nature and going, water then? And men are, I dunno, fire because manly men love BBQs?

I am trying to take this discussion seriously but I am chuckling at "womanly elements". What would those be? Nice nails maybe? Swishy hair? Ability to empathise? Good at cleaning the skirting boards?

Eggs - if it is not your body - what is it that makes you a woman ?,decades of lived experience as a girl/woman?

What are ‘womanly elements’, if we’re not talking about chromosomes and bodies?

Because that’s where the whole argument falls down.

Am I less of a woman because I don’t perform much in the way of femininity? Of course not. So why does a man performing femininity become a woman? It’s nonsense.

If you ask me for a list of things that make me a woman my body would be last on the list.

So just give me, say, the top five things on your list that makes a woman but isn't about your body.

Words have set meanings for a reason. A transwoman with a penis who is capable of raping other women is a man.

It's faulty syllogism. Just because you call a man a woman, it doesn't make them a woman.

If I'd had a different body I'd have had different life experiences and as a result would be a different person. Any way you spin this you can't get away from the body mattering.

If you asked me for a list of things that make me a woman, my body would be the only thing on the list

YY. Woman is very simple. Adult female human.

What is feminine is much trickier. What is is to be a woman is much trickier.

I think it's a combination of people being polite and not really believing it, and people not realising that most TIM's still have their dicks and equating no penis with woman.

I don't think most people do actually believe it - not really, deep down.

They are mostly polite (like the use of preferred personal pronouns)

They haven't given it much thought, but have heard "transwomen are women" said so often that it sticks and is therefore repeated

They think of young TIM and go all protective and maternal, seeking to defend them from nasty people saying things that make the TIM feel sad (even if it's the truth)

They think of TIM as an extension of the fabulous gay friend they go clubbing with - they say "go sister!" to them, so why not the man who apparently desperately wants to be a woman?

I am my body and my body is me. The brain is part of the body. I don't believe in souls.

@eggsonheads if you had been born with a male body do you think you'd still feel female? Do you have a 'female soul'?

"If you ask me for a list of things that make me a woman my body would be last on the list." That is an interesting perspective, and I'll be honest one I find very hard to understand.

If you asked me for a list of things that make me a woman, my body would be the only thing on the list.

Why do people believe transwomen are women?
They don't.
But it allows them to exercise pure sexism whilst masking it with virtue signalling.

Ultimately, it's a failsafe way of ensuring women get less rights:

Not physically or biologically. But intellectually and sociallly yes. if they are living big as a woman and passing as a woman then they are treated as women, act like women, face some of the problems that are common to women then that is woman enough to me. While our biology effects us a great deal and defines us a great deal there is more to being a woman than a female body. To suggest that a woman's body is a crucial element of her gender is one step removed from people who argue that women who don't want children are unnatural. I don't define myself by my body. If you ask me for a list of things that make me a woman my body would be last on the list. I wouldn't define others in such a way at either. I'm not saying that transwomen and natal women are exactly the same or that they face exactly the same struggles but I wouldn't say that about two different natal women either. I don't agree with ignoring the fact that transwomen have male bodies and all that entails but I also don't agree with deny their womanly elements. If I woke up tomorrow in a man's body I would not be a man. My body would be male. To be perfectly honest I wouldn't change it. But that wouldn't make me a man. I am not my body.

It's an excellent test for social compliancy, that's for sure, the extent to which a given person is willing to play along.

"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."

George Orwell 1984

Unfortunately the youth of today appear not to be particularly well read and completely miss where that quote comes from or what it signifies.

Emperor's new clothes, innit.

The lie/con involves asserting that anyone who believes that there is no substance to the emperor's outfit is either unfit for their position or hopelessly stupid. Substitute "bigoted" for "stupid" in the new version.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor%27s_New_Clothes#Plot

I was a bit confused reading one of those Irish feminists on Twitter. She admitted sex is biological and gender is a social construct. So... surely that undermines her whole argument? You can't be born the wrong social construct, can you? Then I realised what she meant. A social construct can be anything society wants it to be. A 'woman' is whatever you say it is. I think that is their argument in a nutshell.

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Oh, read the threads and stop projecting, you childish person.

Sticking up for women as an oppressed biological category of human being is not anti-trans in any case.

Here on MN you are not allowed to be anything other than 100% against all trans people or you get roundly personally attacked

That is an outright lie