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Please do Scottish self-id consultation (even if not Scottish)

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okMaybeIAmATERF · 25/01/2018 12:49

Here's the URL: please do the consultation. (I think this has been posted before, but it bears repeating.)
consult.gov.scot/family-law/review-of-the-gender-recognition-act-2004/
To note:

  1. At the end, you will be asked whether you are resident in Scotland, the rest of the UK, or elsewhere - i.e. you don't have to be in Scotland, though obviously it's more important to be heard if you are.
  2. You will also be asked whether you want your response published with your name, without your name, or not at all - if that makes a difference to how you write your answers, it might be helpful to know this up front. Closes on March 1st, but don't wait till then!
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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 26/02/2018 18:08

I may have written something very similar Wink

RedToothBrush · 26/02/2018 16:48

I put in the comments that the entire consultation was bias and about the lobby groups and had no interest in those groups who might be most affected by changes and would lose rights.

The wording was leading. The questions were framed deliberately in a way it was difficult to make a point.

The entire proposal is being led by feelings no evidence and was in the absence of evidence and with the use of propaganda.

I have it on record, that I have made a point that it is setting up a situation where there will be a scandal because of the way in which it actively is trying to avoid proper debate.

The entire thing was UTTER UTTER bullshit.

Popchyk · 26/02/2018 11:52

There is absolutely nothing stopping anyone from providing different names and email addresses and submitting the form multiple times.

Therefore the survey is fundamentally flawed for me before it even starts. And of course all the questions are leading and are designed to make you give the "correct" response.

There needs to be proper real-life consultation, not just with internet warriors who can claim to be anything.

SidSparrow · 26/02/2018 11:02

I live in Scotland. Completed it and slightly concerned about the SNP trying so hard to be 'progressive' that they are overlooking any potential damage.

okMaybeIAmATERF · 26/02/2018 10:54

Bump. Links to the consultation are being widely shared by people (often well-meaning but ignorant people) who are in favour of the trans agenda, complete with instructions on what boxes to tick; while most of us, including me, are too afraid of - well, at bottom, it's of male violence, isn't it? - to share the link non-anonymously. If we want the Scottish government to say anything but "the population of Scotland is overwhelmingly in favour of these changes"... now is our only chance.

TWO DAYS LEFT

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Ouchbirthhurted · 25/02/2018 23:53

Bump

MrsWooster · 25/02/2018 21:36

Done

Hackedoffwoman · 25/02/2018 21:17

Giving this a bump. The consultation is open to all. Please take a few minutes to fill out. The results of this will have ramifications for the rest of the UK.

Mxyzptlk · 24/02/2018 21:57

As well as doing the survey, also write to your MSP (if you live in Scotland).
You can do that through www.theyworkforyou.com

FancyRibbon · 24/02/2018 21:49

Also reading through the Fair Play for women site linked to upthread, this jumped out at me:

’IMPORTANT: It is extremely likely that the UK government WILL legally recognise the validity of a Scottish GRC. This means that people will be able to obtain a GRC in Scotland and then be legally recognised as the opposite sex throughout the whole of the UK. This will impact everyone in the UK and could represent GRA reform by the back door for England and Wales without further consultation. This may be the only chance women in England and Wales get to express their views. Also, once Scotland has introduced GRA reforms it will be used as a reason for the rest of the UK to follow to unify the process. This affects EVERY woman in the UK – we must all speak up now before its too late.’

FancyRibbon · 24/02/2018 20:53

Done. What a shit set of questions for a supposedly neutral government consultation. Very hard to answer some of the questions if you don’t accept the premise of self ID, since it seems very much written for answering by people who DO accept self ID.

LadyLance · 24/02/2018 15:41

Just done this. I didn't realise it was open to people in the rest of the UK until today, so giving it a quick bump so others in the rest of the UK can fill it out if they haven't already.

OldCrone · 24/02/2018 13:31

Another bump. Don't forget to fill this in before next Thursday.

PencilsInSpace · 21/02/2018 22:08

Bump!

ONE WEEK LEFT

thisonehasalittlecar · 21/02/2018 21:29

Stayed up until 3 am yesterday filling in this nonsense. I'm probably not as dogmatic on this issue as some here but really the stuff to do with children is sinister and depressing in equal measures.

bellasuewow · 20/02/2018 22:22

Done

BlindYeo · 20/02/2018 21:43

Done. The inbuilt assumption of the need for changes in the first place was infuriating though.

fascinated · 20/02/2018 21:39

i may have used words such as

absurd

nonsensical

unfair

not my best work but v satisfying!!!!

fascinated · 20/02/2018 21:37

done - babe in arms mean it was a bit hasty but by god i let rip a bit!!!!

Waddlelikeapenguin · 15/02/2018 23:13

Bumpity

WhatsAllThisShouting · 15/02/2018 19:02

Also posted on a different thread but I've filled in this insane thing. Been a mn lurker for yonks, trans peaked last year (used to be live and let live, but this isn't that) and the anger has bubbled and simmered and boiled over. I have discussed it since then with DP, immediate female relatives etc but it's so hard without coming across a bit... er, stressed?! Reading this survey out to DP finally tipped him over the peak! I certainly didn't hold back in my answers, kept it the right side of rude and stuck to the indisputable facts. I was rather shouty on the children and non-binary questions though - I mean wtaf?!! I left neutral on the what do you think of this survey questions simply because I was shattered by the time I got through that pile of word salad. Will also be spoiling every ballot paper going forward, with reasons why, until our politicians sort their shit out.

Waddlelikeapenguin · 14/02/2018 01:02

Bump

Everythingisboswollox · 13/02/2018 18:07

Long time lurker here and until a few weeks ago was pretty oblivious to what's been going on re transgender and self-ID; but what I have been reading has incensed me so much that I too have reached 'peak trans' (as has DH) and have completed the consultation.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 13/02/2018 17:52

YY. I had a bit of a rant about that in the section at the end "what did you think of this consultation" or similar.

OneFlewOverTheDodosNest · 13/02/2018 14:06

I had a rant about inability to accurately define terminology and the biased language massively leading responses. I was especially annoyed by the question that went along the lines of:
We're reviewing the gender recognition process should we:
a) remove all gatekeeping for everyone in Scotland
b) remove all gatekeeping for everyone in the whole world
c) remove all gatekeeping for everyone and criminalise the ability to recognise biological sex
d) don't know

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