Women come last in Labour's deranged victim hierarchy - Rod Liddle in The Spectator

Authoritarian males on the left and the right have argued for millennia over how best to position the boot on women's neck.
Women are not a side in the political game, we are the effing ball.

Conservatives and misogynists agree with us about the fact that gravity exists too, and that's at about the same level of "well duh" as this is. Let's try to emphasize that angle.

My take is that when you take the pomo goggles off the fact that people with penises and Y chromosomes are not women is at a "water is wet" level of obviousness, and that's exactly the tack we should take if anyone gets shirty about conservative journalists writing about this. Yeah, sure, we disagree with them on most other things, but when a radfem and a conservative man agree on this issue how incredibly fucking clear and obvious a problem must the thing they're agreeing on be?

Conservatives and misogynists agree with us about the fact that gravity exists too, and that's at about the same level of "well duh" as this is. Let's try to emphasize that angle.

(Totes appreciate your willingness to leverage your press contacts btw, KissMyCis. Hope you got some rest!)

Great work Kiss, I was following the original thread and you could really see the effort you were putting in to get this some exposure. You did what no-one else here has managed, that's not to be sniffed at.

KissMaCis great work

Well done Kiss

Ideological purity?

If you're happy to ally yourself with someone who actively wishes to maintain the very patriarchy that is the problem, the whole of the problem, and nothing but the problem, that's your choice.

I would rather keep him the fuck away from me. (And if that's the price for never 'winning' an argument on here and having 'ideological purity') I am more than happy to pay it.

Question just on QT tonight. Is the LP being taken over by Momentum. 😁

I have to say when I saw RL I thought, wasn't he the one who divorced in a journalistic slanging match?

I liked his article, I hate that it takes an older rich white man to raise the issue safely, but I want the tide to turn.

And a sense of Ideological purity is going to win this argument?

Yes, I know Ron Liddle's history.

I also know that Labour expelling women for stating the biological truth that women don't have dicks, and the sociologically blindingly obvious observation that we are oppressed as a class because of our biology, and we can't identify our way out of that oppression is one of the biggest scandals going.

Two wrongs don't make a right, nor does pointing to one wrong mean that the other can be ignored.

Well done Kiss
I liked it as well, comes from a completely different angle which is no bad thing. Know anyone at Private Eye now? Last couple of issues have hinted at being GC.....

It's allying with someone who is part of the problem, and therefore utterly self-defeating.

Perhaps he can be right on some things sometimes?

I know that your ideology doesn't permit such thinking but sometimes it's worth thinking about what's in front of you rather than who said it.

It may be that someone has already pointed to this: Rod Liddle, woman beater (who dumped his wife on their honeymoon), and supporter of rapists.

gavindrake.co.uk/2015/01/08/a-journalist-with-a-police-caution-for-domestic-violence-describes-ched-evans-opponents-as-morons/

Really not sure, therefore, why his pompous pronouncement on feminism should be entertained at all, let alone seriously. (Apart from the transphobia, obviously).

If you can self ID as a kid and you can't be challenged because 'transphobia', what is the to stop a boy sharing a tent with his gf on camp?

The parents can't complain cos social services.

I also voted for Blair. I think. I can't remember because I am too old. Oh dear. I don't assume people are any political persuasion. I am rapidly becoming confused about what I am altogether....

Fist bumps MelonFarmer. A fellow baby eating Blairite. 😂 ❤️

Getting this into men's awareness could make a real difference. The best way to do this is concrete examples, e.g. children (blockers and cross-sex hormones) and vulnerable women (medical treatment like above, male rapists in women's prisons) being put at risk, men cheating in women's sports, lesbians being put under pressure to have sex with men, etc.

The way to get the glazed over response is to go into the theory and to use the jargon. "There was a 60 year old woman in Hyde Park meeting other women to discuss bad changes to the law who was battered by a man pretending to be a woman" is more effective than endless TERF, M2T, TIM, "cis", non-binary.

That poor child.

The transing of kids will absolutely be met with a backlash

This is devastating reading:

threadreaderapp.com/thread/956393002343194625.html

It's a good strategy. My DF has been 'yeah doesn't affect me/ don't need to know about all this silliness' to this point, but peak transed this weekend on hearing about the woman who asked for a female HCP to do her smear test and was given a TIM nurse.

With two daughters, that raised a 'what?' from him that shook the windows. He was livid.

I’m talking this up to every dad of a daughter I know.

I mean, how are they going to feel when their daughter comes home from a Guide camp pregnant? Because all safeguarding was dropped as soon as a trans child showed up and their needs trumped everyone else's. Daughters will still be getting pregnant even if they're calling their boyfriends girlfriends.