Women come last in Labour's deranged victim hierarchy - Rod Liddle in The Spectator

yy Mentioning the PIE is a good move. Many times Labour has done this kind of thing and been on the wrong side of truth. They need to stop virtue signalling and start listening.

We have a piece also in Conservative Woman. Waiting for the drop.

Great article. Shared on FB etc...

Even though, being Rod Liddle, he has to have a bit of a sneer at the left and at feminists, the crucial thing for me is that he has actually understood what the debate is about in a way that few other journalists have done. He's grasped the legal issue about the change to shortlists, for example. He seems to have quoted the women fairly.

I also think it's brilliant that he mentions Zoe Kemp's comparison with the Paedophile Information Exchange, which a lot of us have brought up every time Owen Jones starts his tedious moralising about being on the wrong side of history. I'd like to think that even in Jones's self-satisfied mind, there might be a little glimmer of horror as it slowly dawns on him that, far from being on the right side of history, in a few years' time he will have to apologise for his association with something so fundamentally wrongheaded and dangerous as the current transactivism movement.

Wow! I really liked that. I’m astounded that I did.
I’m very left wing (though not a Labour Party supporter) and hate the “that’s what you deserve for being liberal” argument but actually feel he doesn’t really go there too much. It’s sensible and readable and a good article.

sure. I do agree with that Kiss, just not sure how such allying works in practice. And it was remarkably balanced for wee Rod. Certainly the readers of the Spectator agree with him. Now to get anyone at all on the left in journalism to speak out.

If we are going to get any where we have to ally across politics. Tribalism is what keeps us in a box.

Strange bedfellows

If this delusional cult is to be challenged then this needs to be in the mainstream. Uncomfortable as it is, much of what Rod Liddle says IS what is said by many people - "hah - so feminists are now getting what they've doled out, etc etc".
This issue WILL have huge negative consequences, not just for women but for men as well and until the batshit proposals get the oxygen of publicity and everyone realises that we are about to change our laws to favour delusions and oppression, then we will have to accept that many allies will not be comfortable ones.
This is a massive fight and sadly, keeping it within the confines of politically correct channels will ensure that it is lost.

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No, but surely any coverage in the mainstream press is a good thing? Bringing it to a more general audience and all. Even by Rod Liddle.

A+ from me.

Especially that (after saying the bit about certain famous feminists) he does say he has a soft spot for radical feminism.

Of course it isn't perfect - it's coming from a male perspective that will rarely 100% align with ours - but it certainly mimics popular thought better than the Tra lot and certain news outlets.

Quite Bluelady.

Wow this is amazing. I might even be brave enough to put that on FB

Nobody could ever accuse me of having any affection for Rod Liddle but this is great. If this is how one of the biggest misogynists you could find views the situation it just shows how bad things have got.

I think it's a good article. Yes, it's written from a right wing perspective and he's done the right wing thing of saying lefties are frothing, raging, screaming etc., but it's got all the facts in there, and he's actually managed to explain that the crowdfunder was about keeping self identifying trans women off AWS, not those with a GRC -something no other journalist or indeed TRA seemed to grasp, despite it being made very clear in the description.
Well done, Hammer, or whatever you new name is! And well done, Rod... Not something I ever thought I'd be saying.

I don't know about any support being better than none. A lot of the people who are anti trans and follow me on Twitter are right wing evangelical types whose opinions I find not in tune with mine at all. They are all for free speech to criticise transactivists but get pretty touchy if you suggest Trump might be a less than great president. I don't think seeing trans ideology critiqued by the likes of Rod Liddle and Ella Whelan cheers me up much at all tbh. The first comment is instructive - going on about the cancer of gender deviants eating up Western society. Which is not why I am gender critical tbh.....

Sorry you aren’t happy about it, I think it’s great. I’ve had a few messages from men on the right who have said they agree with him, and stand with us. It’s flippant yes, but firmly on our side. I’m pretty happy with it.

RL has no investment in any of this. It's rther like Boris Johnson (from the same Spectator stable) who just sees public and private life as an intellectual exercise. No other dimension. White priviliged male at play.

In this case RL is simply wanting to batter Labour/Momentum with the heads of feminists because he is bored, and is paid to be controversial.

Whatever his motives, it's good to see this issue discussed from a non-TRA perspective. What are the comments like?

"And there’s a certain pleasure to be gained from seeing the likes of Linda Bellos and Germaine Greer comprehensively outvictimed."

Thats not exactly supportive...

I found it rather sneery and condescending. Almost like he wants to look like he's supporting woman (for the kudos) but secretly he thinks we're all equally ridiculous.
Mind you, is there anyone Rod Liddle likes and respects?? (other than Toby of course)

A great article!

The fact he scorns feminists in the article and says that perhaps he should be glad they get their comeuppance but hes not, is quite something and only serves to add to the point.

Yes. Specific appeal to anti-feminist men to get onside.

Well feminism has probably brought us to this point - i see more women/feminists pushing the TW are women mantra and inviting TW into every female area - than i see men do. It is biting feminism on the bum.