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Finally crawled out of anonymity to be reported to my former place of work

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Whatnextxx · 24/01/2018 21:29

The backstory:

I noticed as you do that a post came up on my Facebook newsfeed for whatever reason the algorithm decided I might be interested in such a post. I decided to ask a question, please feel free to let me know your views, personally I came to the conclusion that with this level of non critical thinking or non thinking we may as well give up as a species:

www.facebook.com/nking123/posts/10156063212195763?comment_id=10156086916585763&reply_comment_id=10156097295620763&notif_id=1516828888585271&notif_t=feed_comment_reply&ref=notif

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ShineyNewName99 · 29/01/2018 20:50

Derailed?

MargaretRiver · 28/01/2018 10:17

Does Domestic Homicides include Manslaughter, etc , as well as crimes successfully prosecuted as murder?

LangCleg · 28/01/2018 10:05

Ok, from this bulletin:

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingseptember2017

So for the 12 months up to September 2017.

685 homicides in total, which includes the large numbers from the terrorist attacks in London and Manchester (about 50).

Generally speaking, about two thirds of homicide victims are men:

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/compendium/focusonviolentcrimeandsexualoffences/yearendingmarch2015/chapter2homicide

So we are probably still looking at the usual roughly 200 female domestic murder victims per year.

Karen Ingala Smith has found details of 138 cases in 2017, and she is usually pretty accurate:

kareningalasmith.com/2017/02/12/2017/

LangCleg · 28/01/2018 09:58

That can't be right.

There won't be more than 619 murders in England and Wales IN TOTAL. It's usually about 500. Going to check...

Datun · 28/01/2018 08:44

Bloody hell SwerfyTerfy

I'm utterly shocked. How come this isn't being reported?

VivaLeBeaver · 28/01/2018 08:41

This is why I firstly have a different name on fb to my actual name.....so they can’t email my employer, etc.

I also try and keep Trans debating to twitter which is even more secret squirrel than my fb account. On fb they could still go through my friends list I guess and message them about me, people would laugh and not be bothered but I don’t want my friends dragged into a load of shit.

EmpireVille · 28/01/2018 08:33

The poster called Toby who leapt in to support "Natalie" is "her" partner. Toby is a woman who calls herself a transman.

SwerfyTerfy · 28/01/2018 08:31

Full explanation of the statistic here.

Finally crawled out of anonymity to be reported to my former place of work
SwerfyTerfy · 28/01/2018 08:24

Sorry, I'm a twat.
I forgot that some months have more than 4 weeks in them, so it is 6.1. Still, no less horrifying Sad

Datun · 28/01/2018 08:23

The exact number of women murdered (in domestic homicides) was 319 (for the year) which is 6.6. (319 divided by 12 divided by 4)

I just did the maths, before I read this! Dividing 319 x 52. Yes, 6.1.

Bloody hell. That's nearly a 3 fold increase.

Either something is not adding up, or something horrific is happening.

SwerfyTerfy · 28/01/2018 08:20

Datun
True, I'm afraid. My source for that is the ONS but I'll try to find the specific page.
The exact number of women murdered (in domestic homicides) was 319 (for the year) which is 6.6. (319 divided by 12 divided by 4)

Datun · 28/01/2018 08:16

But in the year ending in march 2017 on average 6.6 women a week were murdered in domestic homicides in England and Wales.

swerfy is that true?!

Six women! I thought it was two women a week. Has it gone up? What the fuck.

InfiniteSheldon · 28/01/2018 08:09

brought up on scraps of incoherent postmodern rubbish and no real ability to think critically. Great point as is it's just make violence with a dress on

ILikeyourHairyHands · 28/01/2018 07:55

Great post Swerfy and unfortunately completely true.

ILikeyourHairyHands · 28/01/2018 07:53

Oh dear. Natalie's not very bright is she?

SwerfyTerfy · 28/01/2018 07:42

Exactly.
I can categorically say that despite being faced with some horrific abusers (I work internationally with DV victims) I've never ever made a death threat, I've never told anybody to get raped, die, burn alive, set themselves on fire, jump off a bridge or any other things that I have been told. The thing is it's just male violence with a dress on.

I've been in an abusive relationship, witnessed my mothers and tried (sometimes successfully, sometimes not) to free women from others, too. The entitlement, the insults, the attitude that if you don't back down and open your legs (whether you want to or not) is the same.
The attitude that if you don't go out of your way to accomodate their whims you're an oppressor is the same.
The victim mentality they have is the same.
Then when that doesn't work the insults, threat, physical violence and beatings are the same too. Except now people are so desperate to be non oppressive and liberal that they've lost their brains on this issue. It's not liberal to give to one group (mostly men, great) by taking from another.

In the last 10yrs 6 trans people have been murdered in the UK. 3 were prostitutes (2 murdered by clients one by her husband) 2 were killed for financial gain (drug debts, benefit fraud) the other was killed by another trans person.

But in the year ending in march 2017 on average 6.6 women a week were murdered in domestic homicides in England and Wales.

Say that to a TRA and they lose their shit at you. it's supposed to be that transwomen are women and that they have it the same as women but also so much worse because of evil mean terfs.
Hmm

AngryAttackKittens · 28/01/2018 07:16

@stoneage

No shit. How do you not have a "wait, are we the baddies?" moment at some point in between sending death threats?

AngryAttackKittens · 28/01/2018 07:15

I had to delete my Facebook when they went through my friends list, messaged 40 people including my teenage son, husband and mother to say horrific things about me. My son was told that I should be raped and burned alive. Someone said that to a 13 year old boy, about his own mother. Disgusting.

But ladybrains! Indistinguishable from actual women! Only a bigot wouldn't want these fine examples of womanhood in her changing rooms/shared room at a shelter/prison cell!

stoneagefertilitydoll · 28/01/2018 07:12

Jesus Swerfy - how, during that attack, didn't even one of them step back and think 'is this right?' - how on earth can people who think they are campaigning for social justice not realise that?

We have people here popping up and expressing concern that we're being too mean sometimes, and that's just chat on a board - where are the voices of moderation in their groups!

SwerfyTerfy · 28/01/2018 04:25

I'm not surprised. I was abused online to the point of deleting my Facebook about 18 months ago. My "crime" was saying that transwomen are transwomen, they are not women and that saying they were was damaging to actual women. I had to delete my Facebook when they went through my friends list, messaged 40 people including my teenage son, husband and mother to say horrific things about me. My son was told that I should be raped and burned alive. Someone said that to a 13 year old boy, about his own mother. Disgusting.

They also tried to call my place of work. Daft because I work in an office on my own (but I'm actually the boss of 6 other people who work separately, 2 of which work abroad). Should I have fired myself? Hmm

Now I have my own social media accounts but keep them unlinked from anyone I know personally. It's horrible that I have to do that, but I can't risk it happening again.

OnTheList · 28/01/2018 01:15

Also the reporting part..do they really think they can get a biology lecturer fired for..knowing biology. Wow.

OnTheList · 28/01/2018 01:13

Telling a biology lecturer to go google intersex..really?! Grin

The way they shout bigot at anyone asking questions is going to be the real downfall of all of this I reckon. The more people they tell to go educate themselves, the more people actually do go and educate themselves and once they educate themselves they are overwhelmingly gender critical

Weezol · 28/01/2018 00:26

I peak transed about June tbh, but am keeping up the fight. Talked to my dad (72) about it all, and he's keeping the ripples going. His gym posse of retirees (roughly mid 50's to early 80's) got about 20% of their workouts done as they kept breaking off to discuss it and express their disbelief at the lunacy of it all.

The only time that usually happens it when discussing what variety of potato to set this year and the best way to discourage slugs.

Whatnextxx · 28/01/2018 00:05

Weezol - yeah, sad state of affairs but the only thing we can do is to stay faithful to truth and not get drawn into the collective delusional insanity. Found a very funny Twitter post issuing a WHO health alert: twitter.com/SoulSurvivor101/status/957386517722300418

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Whatnextxx · 28/01/2018 00:02

Possibly - I had a cunning plan to be able to view any potentially libellous comments - but shush don't tell anyone Grin

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