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Labour against transphobia group - thread 2

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QuentinSummers · 24/01/2018 21:14

Follow on from
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3144285-Labour-Against-Transphobia-Facebook-group?msgid=75082467#75082467

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pamish · 03/02/2018 22:20

That horrible meme about Lily and a knife? Someone did a bit of digging:
twitter.com/confirmedturf/status/959678054271393793
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OlennasWimple · 03/02/2018 21:21

What does LM actually, y’know, do? To pay rent and buy food?

Put the GoFundMe begging bowl out never mind the deadnaming

Presumably as a full-time student (!) LM can get the usual financial support package too.

OnTheList · 03/02/2018 21:10

DickTERFin, First of her name, Breaker of wind, Queen of Turnips and the first potato's of the season, Slayer of wasps (only the ones that have already been fatally wounded and upside down on the window sill though), the Unwashed, Mother of Dragon liking children, also known as just "children".

Grin

I would probably g for her blobbyness or something. And watch people try to say that over and over with a straight face. Or put 'it' then pitch a fit and say that the T at the start has worn off and it is literal violence to call me it.

Cwenthryth · 03/02/2018 21:04

These positions (CLP women’s officer, young labour ambassador etc) are all voluntary, right? What does LM actually, y’know, do? To pay rent and buy food?

OlennasWimple · 03/02/2018 20:36

CAAKE - I was just about to post that name stickers tweet too! How tiresome, how depressing, that this is going on

When did LM become a Young Labour Ambassador? Yet another job to fit in...

HairyBallTheorem · 03/02/2018 20:27

Janice Turner is a towering force at the moment - I love her. (And on the left, Sarah Ditum's latest article in New Statesman is brilliant).

DrinkFeckArseGirls · 03/02/2018 20:24

Got paid few days back - time to return to the gofund me page!

Battleax · 03/02/2018 20:20

The comments beneath it are cheering too.

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DickTERFin · 03/02/2018 17:58

I'd be tempted to write a Daenerys Targaryen style, pronoun list...

DickTERFin, First of her name, Breaker of wind, Queen of Turnips and the first potato's of the season, Slayer of wasps (only the ones that have already been fatally wounded and upside down on the window sill though), the Unwashed, Mother of Dragon liking children, also known as just "children".

And then pitch a fit when people don't remember or recite the whole lot.

boatyardblues · 03/02/2018 17:36

@Lazy, no, this is important. getting a pronoun wrong is literally killing people. Think of the cost to the NHS.

Alternatively, a really quick way to clear bed-blocked wards....

thebewilderness · 03/02/2018 16:57

This is what happens when people can't figure out the difference between their sex, their gender, and their personality.

pamish · 03/02/2018 16:54

@Lazy, no, this is important. getting a pronoun wrong is literally killing people. Think of the cost to the NHS.

Lazylouse · 03/02/2018 16:51

Surely something has gone badly wrong if each person has to announce the pronouns they want used? I'd be tempted to put "guess".

pamish · 03/02/2018 16:44

I think this sticker sheet is being commercially produced. It was thrust at me as I registered for the academic conference, Lesbian Lives, last year.

AreYouOrHaveYouEverBeenATERF · 03/02/2018 16:34
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CAAKE · 03/02/2018 16:32

Our friend LM is at the London Young Labour AGM today. I thought that you all might like a little giggle at this most excellent joke, posted on a thread that LM has retweeted -

Labour against transphobia group - thread 2
Labour against transphobia group - thread 2
AreYouOrHaveYouEverBeenATERF · 03/02/2018 16:26

Here you go.

This is the Twitter link: twitter.com/madigan_lily/status/955234898117300224

Labour against transphobia group - thread 2
Labour against transphobia group - thread 2
ChattyLion · 03/02/2018 14:29

^^ YY. great letter.

YesItsADebate · 03/02/2018 14:28

Good letter, CapnHaddock.

This is on FB, with a credit to ExpatDragon’s comment on LM’s piece in the Independent: Comment on Janice Turner’s piece in The Times today. Not the best-written in the world but it gets to the point.

CapnHaddock · 03/02/2018 14:22

Letter just posted on the crowdfunder which has apparently been sent to the Independent:
"Dear Sir,
On Thursday, Lily Madigan wrote about her experience in the Labour Party and her opposition to Jennifer James’ campaign to protect female representation in the party.
I’m also a member of the Labour Party and I also happen to be a trans woman, though that is unimportant when I am campaigning with my local party to re-elect our Labour councillor.
I know that I’m not really a woman. Women are female and I am male, but that matters little in my day-to-day life. The law lets me change my legal sex, society respects the credibility of the process and I am accepted for who I am.
Tragically, the campaign for self-identification risks all that as it spawns doubt and confusion: if anyone can self-identify as a woman, what does the word woman even mean? In this strange post-modern world, self-ID cuts straight across the rights of women to organise and associate as a sex.
Transgender campaigners tell me that men would not self-identify as women just to access All Women Shortlists (AWS). I’m not convinced, especially if they want to see AWS brought into disrepute so they can abolish them. The result: those men get what they want, women lose, and trans people get the blame.
I’ve therefore given my money to Jennifer’s campaign. We must keep AWS to protect the representation of women. Trans people do need to be represented, but not at women’s expense.
But sadly, in a vicious environment where men and their trans allies conspire in a secret Facebook group to force women from the party, I must remain anonymous. My solidarity, however, is total."

Justabunchofcunts · 03/02/2018 14:02

I will find you an otter link afterwards?

Justabunchofcunts · 03/02/2018 13:58

Areyou have you a screenshot of Madigan saying it's like saying down with the patriarchy?

YesItsADebate · 03/02/2018 13:48

Thankyou for your sacrifice :o

Ohforfoxsakereturns · 03/02/2018 12:49

I asked my MP directly on what grounds LM was able to stand. He didn’t reply to that part of my letter.