Labour against transphobia group - thread 2

I'm surprised we haven't had more TRAs over here - but perhaps the fact that this is a debate forum - and their #NoDebate just won't work here - and they can't block us - keeps them away.

They actually have to talk to us here - and very quickly their mantras are deflated.

I think we should have some kind of mumsnet marker on our twitter id’s .
It’s funny, I always use David C Page’s work in my arguments with the scientific fantasists, every single time I am either blocked or ignored.

Whoever is TurfyMcTurfFace on Twitter - loving your work there

Precautionary principle innit?

That would make a good t shirt

Late to the news but pleased to see young Tara finally had their collar felt.

against - That was interesting, thanks for posting.

Well that BBC thing made a good job of framing it as "whining women" against "progressive young woke people". Shouldn't really expect anything different from the beeb though.

Yeah. That Women's Aid thing isn't 'an extraordinarily difficult decision' is it? Just don't do it. Precautionary principle innit? There, solved it for you.

given that transwomen who need rape counselling will themselves have been raped by a male, wouldn't they also be unhappy about receiving counselling from a male, albeit a trans one

Honestly? Don't know. Don't care. They can sweat blood and tears for their own services and organise them how they like. Nothing to do with me.

But they won't do that because they are such a bunch of narcissistic self-serving arseholes that they all just have their own GoFundMes and Patreons instead of raising money for dedicated services for other people like them. They just colonise ours instead.

I don’t honestly know, titchy. I can’t pretend to speak for any trans woman, as I’m not one. I suspect it might depend on the individual.

Front page of the BBC News website this morning. Aargh! Why is this being presented as women vs. trans? I don’t feel like it’s getting across very well that it’s women vs. men seeking to take advantage of self-ID.

Never thought I'd line something Amber said!

Slight sidetrack - but given that transwomen who need rape counselling will themselves have been raped by a male, wouldn't they also be unhappy about receiving counselling from a male, albeit a trans one?

Thank heavens for small mercies.
I would happily support the idea of having a small number of peripatetic transgender staff specifically to support the different needs of transgender people who have been attacked, but I can’t see how the logistics would work.

That's something.

Amber Rudd on Marr - after a lot of slightly worrying waffle - just unequivocally confirmed that the Tories won't be removing single sex exemptions from the Equality Act, whatever the outcome with the GRA consultations.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/womens-refuges-may-get-transgender-staff-3txhcr8mb?shareToken=4f9219d6f1f06b4faeb1cf663f653f2f

Justine Greening, the former equalities minister who drove the sex-change reforms, admitted for the first time last night that the concerns of women’s groups must be taken more into account.

She told The Sunday Times she still supported change, but stressed that the government should be “absolutely listening to the voices of women’s groups in all this and their concerns”.

Justine Grening says that this time they might need to listen more...

Oh does she now? Good of her.

Another article in the Times - Women shelters to get transgender staff.
Can’t copy and paste at the moment as going out the door. Justine Grening says that this time they might need to listen more...

@Her Femaleness Here is a YouTube video by David Page, MIT biology professor and Director of the Whitehead Institute. He worked on the human genome project. He says that women of all races have 99.9% of theire DNA in common. Men and women have 98.5% of DNA in common. So there's absolutely no basis for the racist claims of TA.

I am so sick of this. If you can’t beat them, join them. I am henceforth a man. I have told DP and will soon be seen at a pro-self ID protest. Where are those again?

Pilgrim Tucker‏ @PilgrimTucker

Fuck - just hearing 3rd woman has been suspended from Labour
1:50 PM - 3 Feb 2018

Where did you hear it from? I know nothing.

I heard a third woman has been suspended. Anyone know more?

At the very least claiming that black women are as biologically distinct from all other women, as men are to women.

They are actually claiming that black women are men? That is one of the oldest cruelest insults men traditionally level at Black women. I assume they were in an all white group or at the least there were no Black women there to hear they are men.

Going back to using race as a means of justifying the 'transwomen are women' argument you talked about yesterday. A lass I know told me that this came up today in her CLP meeting. They were specifically talking about transwomen on all women short lists and basically the argument was ''transwomen are women in the same way that black women are women''.