Labour against transphobia group - thread 2

Maybe women could self identify as trans for the ATS?

You’ll be happy to hear that #LYLAGM18 unanimously passed a motion backing the creation of a separate Trans officer role and the group affirmed its commitment to having all those who self-identify as women on the all-female shortlists!!

If I am reading this right, there is a separate trans officer post (which I assume, needs to be held by a transperson? As thats how it should be) but also trans people can self identify their way onto the female lists? How fair and progressive

Oh well, perhaps Lily can stop playing at being Women's Officer now and go for Trans Officer.

There was a trans officer post on the CLP where LM is the Women's Officer, but he decided not to run for that....

It will probably be Lily again. It's not like being a Women's officer takes up much of their time or is distinguishable between what a Trans officer would look like.

I am 99% sure that their trans officer will be a TIM, not a TIF.

twitter.com/OscarGWard/status/959958632384385024
You’ll be happy to hear that #LYLAGM18 unanimously passed a motion backing the creation of a separate Trans officer role and the group affirmed its commitment to having all those who self-identify as women on the all-female shortlists!!

But if they are what they say they are - men or women, why the need for a Trans Officer? Surely one negates the other?

Oh well, perhaps Lily can stop playing at being Women's Officer now and go for Trans Officer.

What are the chances of that now.... mmm - zero to negative?

I can't vote Labour again.

young labour are just soooo woke

twitter.com/OscarGWard/status/959958632384385024
You’ll be happy to hear that #LYLAGM18 unanimously passed a motion backing the creation of a separate Trans officer role and the group affirmed its commitment to having all those who self-identify as women on the all-female shortlists!!

Good question. Does anyone know?

Who is the third Labour member to be suspended?

Lily Madigan is so self-absorbed that he thinks this is all about "TERFs" suing him

I was at some work-related training on the GDPR recently and linking an individual to their (anonymous or otherwise) social media presence/accounts will be covered as a breach/abuse of sensitive data. Labour need to get ahead of this - and quickly - or else they will be looking at massive fines from May. I also wondered if that’s why the TRAs had done this now. Many of them work in tech roles, so should be aware of the scope if the imminent GDPR.

Great that Margot James is doing this as an influential senior Tory, and as a lesbian MP. People will listen to her in her party. Thank you to her.

Place marking while i catch up

Margot James MP has tweeted support of Janice Turner's Times article.

twitter.com/margot_james_mp/status/959696278706905089

That doubles the number of MPs who are sepaking out.
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It's not just Labour. As I keep posting whenever I can. The Tories are leading on it. All parties except UKIP and DUP are following. They are all desperate for the youth vote and the TRAs have created a very powerful cult to entrap them.

I do not understand Labour's position that trans identified males are a subset of the female classification rather than a subset of the male classification. That makes no sense.

Thanks for the explanation. That sounds pretty bad if so.

I'm definitely not an expert but I think one of the key issues re the list they have been compiling is that they have people working in Labour's membership services department who are misusing the official Labour membership records to access and then publish sensitive data on who is a Labour member (along with positions held, constituency etc). The Labour Party as an organisation is bound by rules on how it handles the information provided to it by its members.

That's a lot of names

Is it a good idea legally speaking to have published those? Will it be viewed as problematic as the Terf List? I realise nobody is trying to kick out the people on JJ list but just wondering.

Full list of those involved in the breach of Labour members' data now published:

www.gofundme.com/fighting-for-female-representatives?viewupdates=1

Any update yet from the ICO or the police on this crime? Have Unison or Unite responded about their officials' involvement in this and how they are planning to meet their legal duty to ensure their members' data is protected?

I'm sure many TRAs are aware of MN but I'm always wary of bringing a boatload of GF to this space. I don't often see MN Fem threads linked by others either so perhaps we are all of a similar mind.

I've seen it happen on other forums, with the cocky idea that "we're better than them, we'll out-argue them" but what happens is that the GF invaders don't want to argue, they want to spoil, and eventually they succeed because decent posters see the good being drowned out by shit and walk away. Never invite arseholes to come and stay.

On the thread about the right to request medical practitioners of the same sex, a few weeks or days ago, a number of men said they always ask for a female doctor for reasons of personal preference which may have something to do with childhood experiences that are nobodies business.

I sent a link to the thread to Pilgrim Tucker. She needs this sanity.
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I quite often want to link some of the clear, concise threads here when I am arguing elsewhere but I usually just repeat some of the points.

I'm sure many TRAs are aware of MN but I'm always wary of bringing a boatload of GF to this space. I don't often see MN Fem threads linked by others either so perhaps we are all of a similar mind.