Labour against transphobia group - thread 2

Don’t know, but there seems to be a Terf Finder General. Wes on up to his moobs

It's all getting a bit surreal for this middle-aged old second-waver...

Where are they now when our rights are under sustained attack

Do they have community? I feel much braver now that I know that I have community. That gets back to my other posts about creating alliances in ways that provide mutual support.

Instead of extra nipples just look for the woman who keeps asking questions...

YetAnother

Don’t know, but there seems to be a Terf Finder General. Wes on up to his moobs.

while I'm glad the right wing media are picking it up, some of the language is making me wince - from RL ' people with penises and weighty scrotums who like to dress up as ladies', 'dimbos in dresses'. Many (most?) Transwomen are not involved in these campaigns and just want to get quietly on with their lives like the rest of us. When Liddle is pejorative about TW in this way he hurts them too.

Well those quiet, unassuming transwomen need to speak up and challenge self-ID and the revolting harrassment that women are receiving. With a few notable exception like Miranda, they seem quite content to sit this one out. As Martin Luther King said: “In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.” Historically women have been allies and supporters of transexual TW. Where are they now when our rights are under sustained attack?

So are LAT sanctioned by the LP?

Here’s the grab of Rayner in the group.

Jennifer has a tweet with Angela as a member of that group. So she’s on board with the Lady dick Stasi.

Isn’t it Angela Rayner that’s keeping Lily a seat in Parliament though?

(I mean, I agree with your sentiment, but AR wasn’t on my list!)

There are various public figures who I automatically think would see sense on this issue. Then one of them speaks up in support of the transgender lobby.

It's like that moment at end of the Invasion of the Body Snatchers when the woman turns to the man she trusts and he makes the body snatcher sound...

hat's great news on "Tara Wood" - I thought they were going to get away with it. Suppose they still might. Some sob story in court about violence against transpeople - when this was clearly a case of male violence against women. Classic - as old as the hills - male violence.

Not rtft byt would Tara go to a woman's prison though

Angela Rayner is in the Doxxing group btw

I get the spredsheet and evidence posters - but what is the 'doxxing group'? Is this a list of women and allies who they intend to 'doxx'? How do we know about this? Is thsi a group of random individuals or is this sanctioned by the LP?

Angela Rayner is in the Doxxing group btw.

Ruth would be amazing amazing start. I love Ruth. And she has skin in this.

Is it worth sending letters to Ruth Davidson and see what she comes back with?

I agree UpstartCrow. The only hope is of alerting women to the fact that this will affect every single one of us. Making as much noise as possible.

KissMaCis
Great article. Im really tempted to share it!

Contas nothing to do with me. Snowball effect is important. The more people talk, the more voices to the debate, the more press. All I want is a debate, so people fully understand Self ID and AGP. And why it’s unacceptable for AGP to be allowed in to biological and transexuals women’s protected spaces.

The Conatus article is really good! Calm and measured, no trans-bashing, and presenting simple facts.

I liked these points in particular:

I don’t identify as a woman, but I know I am one. Part of my experience as a woman is being dismissed by men like MP Clive Lewis who cheerfully said ‘I’m happy to say I think any move to allow trans-women onto all-women shortlists has my full support.’ Seeing as the only threat to men is women identifying into golf clubs I think it’s fair to say he hasn’t got a horse in the race.

and

It is perhaps unlikely to cross the minds of those brought-up most of their lives with the privileges and unconscious advantages of being born biologically male that perhaps a post designed to support women who have been ground-down by the converse experience might not be for them.

and

From firsts in women’s sports to media, accolades and prizes previously reserved for women are increasingly offered to transwomen. I’ve yet to see a transman awarded ‘Man of the year’ by a major magazine or to front a ‘Fathers for Justice’ protest.

As Conatus News describe themselves as 'progressive activists', I wonder how this article will be received by the right-on lefty dudes? Can someone tweet it to Ralf Little and similar? (I don't do Twitter).

Well done Kiss (I'm assuming this is another one of your contacts?)

Yup, so please please respond to the consultation

consult.gov.scot/family-law/review-of-the-gender-recognition-act-2004/

I think the way the GRA will play out is that the Tories will reluctantly ditch it blaming divisive feminists, and the next Labour govt will bring it in.

What are the chances of the govt kicking the GRA into the long grass? Because once self ID becomes law, then we've got no chance. We won't be able to put that genie back in the bottle

I suspect that Scotland should be the first battle-ground (so to speak).

Arggh why can't I get bolding right.

Red has this absolutely right. This is why wider, sensible, open public debate is what is needed. This is our battle, the time to fight it is right now, with urgency.

**It's pretty much impossible for the revised GRA Miller proposed to get through the Commons without Conservatives voting for it, right?

Incorrect.

It depends on what government policy is. They could still go ahead, and use the whip. That would get rid of some opposition, though I do still think there would be some opposition.

The thing is that Labour would vote with the government on this. That means they could easily have enough votes to pass it. The SNP, Greens and LDs are all also on board.

What you have to do is convince the government that the bill would damage their vote and/or that the issue is causing more political damage to Labour.

Atm, the Conservatives are desperate to get the vote of women and young people. In order to do this, they want to look more progressive, hence the GRA at face value seems to fit.

However if they think women will turn away from Labour in any great number over the issue, they WILL drop it like a hot potato.

As much as they want to look progressive, they also need to keep their core conservative voters and they are desperate for anything which will change the huge drift in woman in all age groups bar the over 65s to Labour.

Put simply if the GRA is unpopular with enough women then its too much of a risk to go ahead and there is more benefit in not doing so from a bare numbers game.

This relies on the whole issue reaching the public accurately and people waking up to the implications about how its not about discrimination to trans people, but protecting many of them and the most vulnerable groups in society who are not loud mouthed aggressive narcs.**

while I'm glad the right wing media are picking it up, some of the language is making me wince - from RL ' people with penises and weighty scrotums who like to dress up as ladies', 'dimbos in dresses'. Many (most?) Transwomen are not involved in these campaigns and just want to get quietly on with their lives like the rest of us. When Liddle is pejorative about TW in this way he hurts them too.

To be clear, men wearing dresses is fine and should attract neither ridicule nor applause. It's what they're doing that's the problem, not what they're wearing while they do it.