Labour against transphobia group - thread 2

Thanks, Upstart.

If this mantra of transwomen are women gains any further ground and "women" comes to mean "biological women and men who say they are women" then men who identify as women will have that sex-based protection.

Self-identifying as pregnant is not any more bonkers than self-identifying as a woman for me.

I fear the day when a bloke takes his employer to court for not allowing him maternity leave is fast approaching.

And he'll probably win.

Popchyk Up til now The Equality Act has specifically stated that if an adjustment does not affect you, you cannot make a claim of discrimination if you are denied either access to that adjustment, or given a similar right.

Sex has been a protected characteristic, listing 'men' and 'women' as the 2 sex classes.

But there's been a push to remove us from the EU, remove protection given by the EU human rights legislation, and The Equality Act is the next casualty. the Tories have already rewritten it so as to give transgender people an ambiguous amount of rights.

I think its going to take a series of test cases to sort this out.

"Has anyone noticed that transwomen make the news for success in business, sport, the arts and politics, while transmen make the news for having babies?" anon
The Feminazgûl

Has anyone asked on Twitter if transwomen are entitled to paid maternity leave?

If they are not entitled to maternity leave then why not?

Surely men who have self-identified as women can also self-identify as pregnant?

4th rule of misogyny: Women's opinions are violence against men thus male violence against women is justified.

Hairy - try putting your Lady dick in that BRAH! 😂

Re Labour Women's Network www.lwn.org.uk/
"Labour Women’s Network exists to secure the election of more Labour women to public office at every level and to support Labour women to play a full part in the Party."
Seems like they could be useful here as they were a moving force behind AWS originally. Then I saw this:

1. MEMBERSHIP a) Individuals who self-define as women who are full members of the Labour Party may become members and support the activities of Labour Women's Network by payment of an annual subscription.

Jaysus I'm being eaten alive by TRAs on twitter tonight.

I'll have to stay off Twitter once I've opened my wine or I'll lose my ability to be calm and rational

FlapsDentata can I be the first to congratulate you on a thoroughly fabulous name change.

Fundraiser tops £20,000.
Ten minutes ago.

So £20,045 raised by 1,150 people in 13 days . That's a lot of angry (mostly) LP members. Are you listening JC? Stella? Dawn? Angela?

I've asked similar quite a few times, areyou. Always tumbleweeds...

And this is from Twitter - which reflects my views entirely - as a generally bleeding heart lefty type, I don't like being called a bigot....

"What do you think is motivating these so called TERFs? I mean really?

Have decent people who fought for equality for decades suddenly gone to the dark side?

Is that plausible? Really?

So maybe they might have some genuine concerns."

As far as I can see, not one person has answered that tweet. Not even with the 'transwomen are women' mantra.

Checking in with another name change.

Comments from Guido Fawkes:

"No sympathy for Jennifer James. This is the ultimate conclusion when females start demanding positive discrimination. Play the victim and there will always be someone/group that will come along and out do you"

"Not quite. It's much worse than that, I would suggest. These trans activists have chosen not to compete with feminists for power as a separate group, but to appropriate the feminist position by identifying themselves as the most marginalized and therefore deserving of women as a group, largely because other women refuse to recognize them as women in the first place. The irony of it all. You battle patriarchy, only to find your hard earned gains stolen by a bloke in a dress."

"If you think about it, it's the equivalent of someone blacking up, saying that they have identified as Nigerian since childhood, and challenging Keith Vaz for the BAME seat on Labour's NEC. How would people react to that?"

So, right-wingers (who are generally against such things as AWS) feel feminists have been hoist by their own petard - but certainly are under no illusion that 'transwomen are women'.

Comments on the guido piece on this link.

order-order.com

Please note, the first article about transition is about Brexit. I just saw the headline and had a ‘what fresh hell is this?’ Moment. 😀

I think once it gets out properly it'll be an obvious vote loser whatever colour you are (with the exception perhaps of the Greens who seem to have a fondness for unelectable policies)

Though if it gets pegged as a 'loony Labour' hmm thing, at least it might dissuade the Tories from seeing it as a vote winner.

Absolutely! Let them rush down that road!

Only thing with the Guido piece is that it doesn't admit that the Tories have to date been headed down the self-id road too. Though if it gets pegged as a 'loony Labour' thing, at least it might dissuade the Tories from seeing it as a vote winner.

Other link doesn’t seem to have comments (or is that just my phone?)
order-order.com/2018/01/26/labour-suspend-campaigner-keep-women-shortlists-real-women-dont-dicks-tweet/

Why can't that be a slogan?

#Womendonthavedicks is doing okay as a hashtag

GF again, yay

Was with a group of friends, from across the political spectrum, the other night and not one had heard any of this. They're not on Twitter and Facebook is just for family & friends photos. Tried explaining the 'lesbian with a dick' concept. We may have had but howls of laughter was the response.

^^ CAAKE Direct link here to Natascha and Mark's sterling work that they wrote "together" Does that journal not check submissions in any way, shape or form ?

Took a look at Marks' profile still in on Goldsmiths' website and had to snort at he/she is
"focussing on how children deal with information in the online context; the “I” in ICT".

Women don't have penises

Why can't that be a slogan?

It’s relatively easy to avoid using names at all, I very rarely use anyone’s name, it always feels wrong (it’s an asd thing I think)