Labour against transphobia group - thread 2

*Has anyone asked on Twitter if transwomen are entitled to paid maternity leave?

If they are not entitled to maternity leave then why not?

Surely men who have self-identified as women can also self-identify as pregnant?*

Utter genius. I can't go back on twitter though. Wish I'd used that in a few debates!

I read the Times article about the TRA shitlist Party and it’s even worse than I thought... !!

It says members of the group include Angela Rayner, the shadow education secretary, and Wes Streeting, Labour MP for Ilford North.

Massive double take here.... ELECTED LABOUR MPs ARE JOINING IN WITH THIS?!!

WTAF. It’s appalling. These are Parliamentarians. What are Labour HQ saying about this? Surely they can’t condone self appointed Facebook vigilantes? Are there not any Labour party or Parliamentary rules against this sort of behaviour?? What about their local Labour constitutency associations??
MPs just cannot be involved in this sort of undemocratic and un-parliamentary activity.

pidgeon I had to delete my twitter app after I got sucked into a stupid discussion with a man moaning about how the presidents club stuff "wasn't all men" and what about men's spaces. I left a parting shot and deleted it.

I'll be having another talk with DH, though he'll just think it's another thing I've got a bee in my bonnet about (nicely patriarchal). I don't think he's aware at all of AGP and probably just thinks all transwomen have gender dysphoria and are attracted to men, so why on earth would they be a threat. To be fair, that's probably pretty much what I thought myself until recently.
Pamish I did ask DH if he'd consider sleeping with a TW but just got an eye roll because they're " legally, not literally women"

My DH is 100% on board and thinks the whole thing is ridiculous. He totally gets why I find the issue of AGP men in sex segregated spaces particularly alarming.

My DH agrees with me, but I'm not sure he really cares as much as me.

He certainly doesn't want men to just be able to say "I'm a woman" and come into the changing rooms with DD.

Unless you can find an aspect of this that actually affects men, they don't get it. DH got it when I explained about the Top Shop thing - when it's something that affects his DD, then he sees it.

My DH says he completely agrees with me. But I'm not sure to what extent he really understands it. He's against men forcing their way into women's spaces etc, and understands why women would be frightened or wary of that. But not the bigger picture, IYSWIM.

New username as the old one had become rather identifying. How fab that this has hit the Times, was that you flaps?

That's a good article Flaps, thanks for posting it. It doesn't go as far as it could, but at least it gets the issue out there.

FWIW my DH and I are about as far apart politically as you could get, but he gets this, completely. In the past he's rubbished my RadFem leanings, but he peaktransed within minutes of me telling him about Fallon Fox (athough he finds me being on the terfblocker list hilarious rather than sinister).

I'm very open about this at home and DD gets it as well. For her it's a very simple "but that's not fair" - I'm building on that.

Sorry Eggs, want to give you a wee hand squee.

I should be nicer to mine. He totally gets it, and texted his awful Mother to tell her how proud he was of me for raising my voice. And she gets it too. She still doesn’t get me, but she got this.

It took me longer than I’d have liked to persuade DH there was a problem, but the swinging-dick-in-the-changing-room-with-DD-that-we-had-to-pretend-we’d-not-noticed was the clincher.

EggbertNobacon thats awful, would he really not see a problem if you were in hospital, or needed a smear test?

Excellent news flaps.

Ding ding the witch is in The Times. Whoops, Labour.

Sorry he was surprised that some GRCers do have dicks. Labour has me all confused. #whohasthedicksagain

My DH also (like me a few weeks ago) had never really thought about it. He is pretty politically aware but had not quite grasped what is actually already happening and has been proposed. Was most surprised to discover GRCers don't all have penises.

He is most bothered by the utter lack of debate. Thinks girls should have the right to penis free changing etc. Would like to see a reasoned debate about it all and thinks it is a shame it has all played out so shouty shouty.

I think he is still digesting some of it.

Labour suspends activist in transgender row

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/784edb8a-02e1-11e8-9de1-e6776d524215

Ask these (presumably het) DHs if they fancy having sex with a transwoman. And then a self-ID one, who is also a woman of course.
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Another one whose DH thinks they're a bigot here

Spoke to DH about it last night.

He said it wasn't an issue he'd thought much about - was generally of the view each to their own.

Having spoken to him he's of the opinion that medical intervention for children is abusive.

Wrt self identification he finds it absurd and can't believe it could possibly become law. Feels that common sense will prevail despite my arguments that it's already happening in other countries and by pressure in the UK.

Felt very different when I told him about how Top Shop let men into women's communal changing rooms and how he'd feel about that happening when his daughter was trying on clothes. How men are competing in women's sports events. How a women's officer in the Labour Party is a man. Etc etc

I think many people just don't realise what's happening. When they are educated about the implications they are shocked.

Upshot is DH gets it and says if standing up to the madness means being labelled a TERF then so what. Better a TERF than a lemming following the TRA's off the cliff of SI insanity.

Like the new username?

I think it would be a fantastic show of solidarity if loads of women could show up on 15th Feb with banners and suchlike "Say no to Male Violence" and fill the public gallery and the papers will cover it and the TV news etc.

I have great respect for anyone that has managed to stay on twitter.

I'm currently on a holiday from it, I just couldn't take the mindless repetitiveness of the chants and threats.

Fucks sake, turns out DH seems to be of the opinion transwomen are women. I asked him if he'd ever consider a relationship with one, "of course not! I mean legally not literally". He's pretty much shrugging it all off as no big deal, what with him being a fucking man. Even when I pointed out he does have a daughter, I just got an eye roll
It hadn't even occurred to me that he wouldn't be on the same page, he's a pretty pragmatic lefty on everything else
I'm pretty sure I'm not a bigot...

Ah, catgirl - you can't argue with the irrational but good on you for trying.

I've read a few threads on twitter today that come up in JJ's mentions. It's madness, and maddening. Literal gaslighting, like arguing with religious zealots. You can't argue against a belief in a false/made up premise.

It is a cult.