Labour against transphobia group - thread 2

Good for David Davis (more things I never thought I'd say (I know it's the 'other one))

Just delurking to say that this what just mentioned on the Andrew Marr show during the newspaper article discussion.

I think it was The Times article. Isobel Oakshott (sic) was very sympathetic to people who are trans and said that, at a guess, the numbers wanting on an AWS would be small but they shouldn't be allowed to apply. The general feeling I got from that before Andrew Marr swiftly moved on was that this issue is not a good look for the Labour Party.

Could this be the beginnings of a revolt? Are the people going to rise up against the ridiculous regime that calls people 'transphobes' for saying a penis is male..?

I'm hopeful.

Having read more and more about this over the past few days - I feel the TRA's actions here have been underhand, in trying to sneak through legal changes - and yelling 'transphobia' at anyone who wants to discuss it.

The implications of the GRA and self identification have not been properly thought through - and most people seemingly have no idea of the repercussions. I'm convinced that most ordinary voters do not autogynephiles in the changing rooms with their teenage daughters. Or any woman come to that.

TRA's have now yelled TERF and transphobe to so many people that the words have lost all meaning.

David Davis @ davidtcdavis
My “transphobic” view is that having a penis makes you male. You may disagree but implied use of word a “cunt” is abusive & misogynistic. You’re an official Conservative group. We are against social media abuse. I’ll be making official complaint to @BrandonLewis on Monday.

Wow!
Something of an irony alert this is coming from David (the welsh one not the brexit one) Davis, but fair play to him.

I noticed the Daily Mail included the GoFundMe link in their article, which may well boost donations.

The gofundme site now has a list of 50+ anti-self-ID Labour people who have outed themselves on the front page.

www.gofundme.com/fighting-for-female-representatives

I'll add myself in the morning now I've had a bit of a think. If we could make it 1000....
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It is amazing how many people are picking up the story now! Really well done!

Big'ot n. Person intolerant or not receptive to the ideas of others (esp. on religion, race etc.)

It always amazes me that it is those most strident in their views and most closed to any conversation are the ones who call others bigoted.

Well after DH pretty much writing me off as a bigot yesterday, I think I've just successfully peak transed him, thanks to the hunger striking prisoner Marie Dean.

For the men who do not seem to understand how it would affect them I suggest Jazz Jennings as a cautionary tale for them.

That is great news! We will not shut up!

I bought the Times today and left it sitting. Came home to DH excitedly telling me that my ‘transgender thing was in the paper’.

Well done everyone who has got it out there. 😀 👏 👏 👏

I didn't look much this week but there seem to be more men listed on the go fund me page... wonder if that's the media?

@blackdog, I think it means it was the content of her tweets that was in breach of the rules. That threw me too, but I think it's just poor wording. It's great that they've covered this, and she comes across as sensible and rational, but did anyone else get a bit of a sitting-on-the-fence vibe from the article?

@Beatrice, I reckon it's worth staying on a bit longer yet. Things are starting to snowball and I think a lot of people aren't aware of the implications of self-ID yet.

The blocking thing baffles me though. It just seems so unprofessional and cowardly to block people purely because you don't agree with their (civilly worded) opinion.

The Guardian is going to have to report on this soon surely, with most other places doing it. I wonder how they will spin this as nasty feminists, when even the gofundme page says that we support transpeople..just that 'self defining' woman is ridiculous.

Most of the comments on daily Mail article are backing Jennifer.

Eh? That mail article says JJ was removed for using social media, which is in breach of the party’s rules.
So, erm, wtaf was the Labour Against Transphobia group? Anyone got a link to the actual social media rule related?

I discovered today that I've been blocked by a lot of LP members with whom I have never interacted (including a certain women's officer) and so I'm thinking I must be on at least one list.

I've been dithering about cancelling my membership - I was reluctant because I've been a member for years and have voted Labour all my life. I mean even Blair and Iraq didn't make me feel as hopeless as this. But I'm thinking if I'm going to get suspended at some point anyway there doesn't seem much point in continuing. So many people in Labour are just calling 'bigot' and blocking.

Not much comradeship there at all.

I’ve commented on that daily Mail article, let’s see if it gets published!!

yep, seriously impressive. calm and articulate.

'On side' I meant, not 'no side'..

Debbie Hayton is marvellous. She is so articulate. Great trans woman to have no side.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5319953/Labour-female-activist-suspended-party.html

The Mail are on the case now. Excellent.

Someone yesterday was saying that they'd like to see more 'old school' Transwomen objecting to self ID and the current Transwomen are women' mantra. May I draw your attention to this rather magnificent twitter thread where a TW politely and respectfully challenges a virtue signalling trans ally, who could not back off fast enough. It cheered me up no end.