Labour against transphobia group - thread 2

Huntingdon member abstained on the basis of being against AWS but anti transphobic.

Notice that all these statements have been made by men?

That suggested motion is still pretty creepy though, tbh.

JC's constituency.

I'll report back, Ouch!

on the other hand, have been hearing some very positive stories of women in the LP who have brought up the subject (in trepidation ) and found loads of support, especially once they explain what's going on and what Self-ID means/ could mean. So please don't despair O Mumsnet Army, this is shifting in our direction.

Find other women in your ward/branch and talk to them first. Then try bringing the suggested motion that asks for a pause in the GRA to start with.

I'm going along to a local party thing this week, and am going to come out as gender-crit - I have already done so with some individuals, and with the Labour MP, but I want to see how it's received amongst other local activists.

Archery thank you for speaking up for women. Would love to find out how this goes.

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Lily is a special sort of stupid.
I'd point out the terms Queer and the n word as words people use to describe themselves but are still abusive, but she blocked me for pointing out she shared a platform with a rather unpleasant man.

Oh dear at those tweets... If jithing ekse Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists, so erm, yes - feminists.

Just came across this thread.
If he seriously thinks this, & isn’t just on a wind-up mission, he actually has mental health issues, surely?

I was looking at another profile of a young labour womens officer candidate. It was fairly normal. Lily does not stand a chance.

Lily was bleating about being held to too high a standard when challenged.... Although I'm sure Lily would not share a platform with anyone she considered transphobic. And of course refused to speak with someone Lily had judged transphobic when on Radio 4.

If it doesn't affect Lily, then Lily doesn't care.

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Lily decided to share a platform with Ben Gliniecki despite being advised by a number of people that he is a rather unpleasant anti semite.
Doesn't care about women or Jews. Perfect fit for Labour then these days.

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Someone in my CLP posted something on FB about the Transgender Day of Remembrance, & I commented that there really aren’t that many deaths worldwide, most of them are sex workers in C & S America, & there’s little evidence that they’re killed because they’re trans; why isn’t there a big fuss about the millions of women murdered worldwide?

I got trounced. Staying well out of it now

I would consider myself quite far left, but I fell out of liking Corbyn long, long ago. He's the sort of person who is quite good at raising an issue from the backbenches (except nobody listened because it was Corbyn), but is utterly shit as a leader. His acceptance of antisemitism was the final straw for me, even before the trans stuff kicked in. His deceit about brexit didn't help, either. The people around him do him no favours, useless lefty-bros that they are. It's no secret that he's hated in the Parliamentary Labour Party, whatever they say in front of the cameras.

I'm going along to a local party thing this week, and am going to come out as gender-crit - I have already done so with some individuals, and with the Labour MP, but I want to see how it's received amongst other local activists.

I might have to join Labour just to go along and ask, 'Is that honestly the main issue facing most women in the UK today - fighting against feminists? Why?'

It's frighteningly cult like.

The word you're looking for, specifically in the context of leftist politics, is 'Stalinist'.

And, yes, it is!

It might be worth sending a copy of the email to Janice Turner and other gender critical columnists.

It's a very serious issue.

Women are being bullied out of the party and afraid to voice their opinions.

It's bizarre. There used to be informative discussions and debates at my CLP - over a wide variety of topics where the discussion of the merits of party policy was openly welcomed.

Post momentum world and anything but the "party line" on any topic (and especially self I'd) is more reviled than if you stood up and declared yourself Tory.

It's frighteningly cult like.

@DarthArts, I'm actually all in favour of taking a public stance - after careful consideration of potential consequences and their impact.

It's not a bad idea at all, especially not coming from someone with a certain amount of gravitas and leadership potential. Seeing as veritable icons have been squashed by the oncoming TRA agenda steam engine, though, I certainly don't fancy my chances or those of my fellow mere-mortals!

No, don't worry - I won't be tweeting at LM nor attending. Just so frustrated and baffled that they've strawmanned and villainised our argument to such an extent that anti-"TERF" emails and events like this are totally normalised and accepted. As if this rhetoric is in any way helping to protect trans people from actual violence, let ALONE promoting women's issues as a woman's rep should be doing.

@TERFousBreakdown

Agree - I was being flippant.

In all seriousness I think the only possible course of action is not to attend and encourage other women in the CLP not to do so either.

There's nothing you can possibly say that's going to derail their agenda, so best reduce the audience for their Orwellian newspeak.

We are all going to end up in prison for breaking all the new trans laws.

There is a massive young man behind the counter in the co-op with eye make up and painted nails. I honestly don't care, I was a punk, it was scarier out there when I was a kid, people spat on you. It's the overwrought mummies and girlfriends and lefty dudes that are annoying though, it's like the whole MMR panic all over again, this they are all going to die of dysporia nonsense.

Just as the man said, there are 4 billion men, 4 billion women and no, we don't give a shit about your pronouns, suck it up.
So the law is an arse, my money is on getting rid of the stupid fallacy that is the GRA, as its the source of all this bollocks in the first place.

Maybe you could ask LM why not a single one of the120+ tweets made since being elected as women's officer as actually been about women's issues?

I hate to say this but: don't, under any circumstances, do this unless you can definitely afford to be 'outed' and publicly shamed! LM is evidently flippant and has a proven track record of lashing out!

Roz Kavena is tweeting endlessly about Miranda Yardley's "this is a man" tweets. Apparently it's a secret when a child is transed, no one would know ever that a girl had grown a beard or a boy had grown breasts unless Miranda told them this. No-one celebrates it with mermaid cake at school, it's all a hidden secret.

I get confused about the rules here.