Labour against transphobia group - thread 2

One thing I wanted to note - how is being transgender any different to what Rachel Dolezal did / identified as? Why did society outright condemn her but not see the similarities with transgender?

That's was also my #peaktrans moment. It's a good question to pose to people.

No, can't explain it Terf. It baffles me too. The parallel is so obvious to me.

Hi all. Just joined mumsnet after reading these threads (after clicking a link from Rad Fem Collective on facebook) and becoming outraged and scared. But I'm very grateful I did - a week ago I saw no problem with trans and had no idea about self-id, now I am talking to all my friends about it and will be commenting on the scottish govt consultation (I'm in scotland). So carry on the good work ladies!
One thing I wanted to note - how is being transgender any different to what Rachel Dolezal did / identified as? Why did society outright condemn her but not see the similarities with transgender? I believe everyone should be treated with compassion (I'm a 'bleeding-heart liberal' green party voter) but in both cases it seems to be as though there is a pathology that needs healing. In both cases the individual self-identifies against their biology. If I'm missing something massive here, can anyone explain?/

miss

Sorry ive got not useful advice

I understand The Fear miss, I understand that its constant and doesn't go away if you just try not to think about it. That's why I feel we have to address this with labour NOW, so it can all be sorted and 2020 can focus on things like disability and the NHS without this crap getting in the way. Then while I have at least two years of living in a Tory government, fearing every brown envelope that comes through my door, at least I won't have to worry so much about having some random bloke in the bed next to me when I'm in hospital.

Fwiw I'm also in a (lab) safe seat so my vote doesn't mean much anyway - I can afford to throw it away.

MissMoneyPlant I am not surprised you feel overwhelmed - what a difficult time you are going through and it is awful that our country has got us into a position where we may all have to make a choice between financial and government aide for the poorest and most vulnerable in our society vs our ability to self-define as a biological group and the monumental impact that will have on our futures and for generations to come.

MissMoneyPlant

ps. People who should know how I feel, do, that is covered. I'm just a messed up traumatised woman. Boy, has feminism helped join some dots!
Also, I've got this far out of sheer bloody-mindedness, so...

I'm sorry, got bit overwhelmed there.

Things is, Quentin, politics is life. It's not abstract, I'm living the result of government decisions. I'm ok financially atm but the fear knowing it is so temporary... The therapy I needed was offered years ago, then whisked away as services were cut. I'm completely written off by the system in that regard. And politics reflects the priorities people have irl. The people overlooked in political decisions are the people overlooked irl by those around them. People I once trusted, but could not turn to now, and yet they care so much about (and believe) men who want to be women...

Actually it's kind of tempting, as an experiment, to suggest I might be trans to see if they put their money (or care/concern) where their mouth is - would I be treated differently on an interperosnal level? Or is it all virtue-signalling? (I would never really do this.)

I'm sorry, I dont want to derail the thread so forget I posted except for the last relevent point about whether the politics actually affects how people interact... that does intrigue me.

(Re. voting, I live in a safe seat so would consider spoiling ballot with appropriate feminist slogan... it's just that unless the Tories actually actively oppose self-ID, I really don't want them in power.)

MissMoney, have you got a support need, like DV, mental health, drug use?
If so, there's usually funding from LA aimed at supporting people.
Call up your local council and they can make a referral to one of the agencies funded by this grant and you can get a support worker.
Charities and third sector agencies can help

i cant understand how you can be on beenfits and not terrified. Havent you already failed assessments? if youre under 35 you have to live in a shared house if you dont get PIP - do you know how horrific and terrifying that is? The kind of men you have to share with? theyve taken almost everythig already, im so scared. No one cares, im so alone. its all i got. im so frightened

Im not ok and would really like someone to help me.
But there isnt anyone because it got cut already... theyve written me off to kill myself, its what they wnat

The Tories winning in 2020 is not a guarantee of my being homeless and without an nhs - yes there is a risk but its a tiny one.

Weighed up against the risk of the female sex no longer existing, I can see which has more immediate personal risk to me. It's crap that I have to make this decision, but I'm not the one putting me in this position.

I second just, you do sound like you are feeling very low :(

Oh, the Green Party, WEP and Lib Dems all know about Self ID. They're supporting it as well.

We've emailed and tweeted Labour (who are effectively sticking in their ears pretending they can't hear us). I've contacted my local mp who is Tory, female and I don't think would support self id.

Is there a way of contacting key people in the Green Party, WEP, and lib dems to see if we can raise awareness of this?

Hey Miss Money. Sorry you feel that way. Women as a group matter to me. And to each other.

On a more serious note if you are feeling that way do remember you can always call the Samaritans. Sorry wasn't sure how serious your comment was but thought I'd mention it in case

Beyond I can't understand you being ok with being homeless on the streets and no NHS weighed up against being slightly less enthusiastic about self-ID than Labour.

I dont want to keep living.

I wish I was in a group that mattered.
I cant bear it anymore.

Battleax we could do a bulk order in advance!

Although DUP could say they won’t support them on something that they would need support on if they pursued it.

No because they’ll have the support of labour, Lib Dems, snp, greens...

Will the Tories need the support of the DUP for the GRA? That's not going to happen.

I hate to say it but if the Tories do reverse their position and labour do not then I will have to consider voting for them.

Ereshkigal I'm sorry, I don't want to look up the conversation now, I unfollowed it because I was really losing the plot mentally with all the bullying and gaslighting. I'm sure google will help. I think it was "shit terfs say".

No worries I just thought you might have it handy.