Labour against transphobia group - thread 2

I am one of those who joined LP because of corbyn and just feel SO embarrassed, ashamed and gullible. Hes just a total conformist to pc thought. I peaked transed about a month ago-it was the first I heard about Madigan and how they shafted Anne. I got kickout of my corbynsupportover50s FB group for admiring Germaine and posting JaniceRaymond so naughty-didn't realised at time how provocative I was being. I agree with an earlier poster that brexit was a backlash against PC and the establishment as much as it was a rejection of EU and that they may well be going too far with the GRA. This is a poll about the GDR wingsoverscotland.com/ which I think you will find interesting.

And if they can imagine that some MRAs might pretend to be TIMs in order to stand on an AWS, and there’s already an exception in law to prevent women pretending to be TIFs so that we can’t steal peerages, it’s surely not beyond the wit of MPs to imagine that men might pose as TIMs to gain access to women’s toilets, showers, prisons, sports..,

some labour mp's are anxious to make sure that there are some safeguards written in to the policies to stop,for example.a mens rights activist attempting to stand as a woman to test the legalities

They cannot stop this in reality. If they are going to push forward with self identification, then it is ANY man who can declare himself a woman. Thats the whole point of self ID. I am sure they can see this. And if they can see this, then they can surely see that self ID is a load of bollocks. The only way to stop MRAs 'testing the legalities' by applying for AWS is to state that self ID is not a labour policy, or get rid of AWS. Those are the only options. You cannot make a policy that says 'any man who says he is a woman is a woman, except for MRAs'

I'm not a member, members may wish to respond to the consultation though

That guardian piece actually links the gofundme page More donations wll be incoming I reckon.

Labours position on this is ridiculous. But 'But she also said that the party had further work to do on the exact wording of the policy' I think is promising. They have decided to break the law on AWS but are having issues on how to word it to avoid breaking the law..it seems.

I think it was mentioned by a lawyer in an older thread that the bog standard men might have a reasonable case to challenge why they are excluded if self ID is enacted for AWS.

There are quite a number of men I could see doing this and I think the conclusion of all this nonsense is that AWS are dropped completely.

I do sometimes wonder if that is the real end game here for some. Not necessarily trans identifying people themselves but the brocialist types who are heavily championing them perhaps for their own gain.

It's illegal. If a job is open to women ref an Equality Act exception that they are traditionally under-represented, then it can only be open to women. We have to take transwomen with GRCs as women so they can join AWS. But self-ID does not provide exception.

Getting on an AWS is intended as fast-track to a £75k+ a year job.

LP has never discussed this at conference or anywhere else that I can find. How dare these handful of arrogant shits decide to change party policy like this? Just wait for the relevant committee to change the law if that happens. What's the urgency, is this all about Lily?
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Fobbing ^

So the policy is "clear" although they're consulting on the wording but they've sent template letters to MPs to use in donning off constituents?

Quentin;
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'some labour mp's are anxious to make sure that there are some safeguards written in to the policies to stop,for example.a mens rights activist attempting to stand as a woman to test the legalities'.

You can almost hear the communal hand wringing from the mp's who can see what is coming.

The day after tomorrow in the Independent: "Lily Madigan and Shon Faye on how transphobia is rife because they weren't allowed to play the lead roles of Carey Mulligan and Meryl Streep in Suffragette" - with an introduction by Danielle Muscato, on why he would have been best placed as researcher and script writer, coz he's a real woman an' all.

Followed by Lily Madigan "I can get pregnant and have babies too."

2020 - "Suffragette" re-released with an entire transgender cast. Produced by Owen Jones.

Just to finish you all off, sorry, here is the LP video released today for LGBT History Month. Four talking heads, no lesbians, no mention of lesbians.

and Paris Fucking Lees get the most time.
Oh and 'We'll reform the Gender Recognition Act and the Equality Act to ensure they protect trans people." (Doesn't say which trans people. )

Here's their twitter thread with some dissenting voices.
twitter.com/UKLabour/status/959106122996158465

You'll all be glad to know it's not really an article

I can no longer tell parody from real life.

it's beyond parody!

@Ereshkigal

I just had a stab of white hot rage reading your post til i realised you were joking. You were joking, weren't you? I can't tell any more whats real and what's not!

Although better not tempt fate!

You'll all be glad to know it's not really an article

Eresh

Eresh i literally don't know how to respond to that

This is another good read with some parallels to today

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_delusion

Oh yes, definitely.

Tomorrow in the Independent: "To coincide with the network premiere of Suffragette, Shon Faye explains how the fight for trans rights is the new frontier of gender based activism and he is the true heir of Emmeline Pankhurst and Emily Wilding Davison. However he wouldn't throw himself under a horse as it would smudge his mascara."

Thanks Battleax