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Were you a Labour Party member who has left due to GRA issues and self ID

86 replies

WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 23/01/2018 19:24

Just that question really. I was and I finally left following the appointment of Lily Madigan as Women's Officer. I'd really like to know the number of other people who have done the same.

Have you left, or are considering leaving due to similar concerns?

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Putyourdamnshoeson · 23/01/2018 22:49

I left when Madigan took up his post. I told them why, no response.

BreezedriftingOnBy · 23/01/2018 22:41

Tiny majority!!!!

BreezedriftingOnBy · 23/01/2018 22:40

I have done. No reply when I said why via email, have contacted MP and asked for surgery appointment.

I'm in an area with a tiny minority. Partner and lots of women I know (all recent labour voters) feel really strongly on this issue, which I'm hoping might make tiny majority MP interested..

Halebeke425 · 23/01/2018 22:33

@deadlylampshade my dp is the same - "oh it only effects like 1% of the population, it's not a big deal" Ermm yes plus All The Women who are negatively affected... If it's not affecting men they don't care Angry

Just to add the green party are even more insane over this issue, I attended a few events with them a couple years ago and was put off by it

meddie · 23/01/2018 22:33

I left over the AWS. I cant support a party that has so little regard for women, I just can't. after 32 years of being a staunch Labour voter I am now politically homeless

MyOwnShed · 23/01/2018 22:32

I'm still in, just.

Deadlylampshade · 23/01/2018 22:26

I left over how shit Jeremy Corbyn was with Brexit. I wish I hadn’t so I could leave again.

Keep trying to get DH to leave but he’s not having it. He totally gets it but he thinks there’s more important things. I might ltb.

BarrackerBarmer · 23/01/2018 22:17

Bekabeech my analogy failed! What I intended to convey is that in day to day manouverings all parties are bringing enormous pressure to bear which makes it impossible to dissent. They are ejecting gender critical women, silencing them with slurs and accusations and crowing that they are certain all good upstanding citizens hold the only morally acceptable view that transwomen are women. They will allow no dissent, no discourse and the threat of losing jobs or reputations, or even being criminalised for 'hate' is real.
(I didn't mean they literally position heavies at polling stations. Only that they are adopting similarly intimidating tactics - not violence, but the threat of expulsion/condemnation etc to stifle debate and ensure people are scared to stand up against them)
However.
We DO still have a highly regulated democratic voting system. We CAN register our dissent, and we can do it safely and without fear of reprisal. Thank goodness.

All we need, is an actual option to vote FOR.

Bekabeech · 23/01/2018 21:38

Political parties are currently behaving like tinpot dictators stationing their heavies st the polling stations
You do know that there are very strict rules about what anyone wearing a rosette can do at a polling station, and if you feel at all intimidated you should report their behaviour to the officials inside?
The people at polling stations are called "tellers" and all they can do is ask you for your voting number - and you are fully entitled to refuse to give it to them. There is only allowed to be one person per party with a rosette outside, and the rosette must not have the word candidate on. If there are obviously more than one person from one party there (or it seems like there is) you should report it inside and the officer can tell them to move.
They are either fully outside or sometimes allowed in a porch/entry hall but never the main voting hall.
Usually all three parties share numbers because the only use that is made of them is to prevent them harassing their own members/possible voters after they have voted.
And no one has any right to ask you how you voted, and you have every right to refuse to answer. (Sometimes there are exit poll people there but they are independent from political parties and you can refuse.)

BrokenTiles · 23/01/2018 21:31

I left today, after many months of disillusionment.

Although I received an automated email asking for my reasons for leaving, I am sadly too afraid of possible professional repercussions to actually respond in writing.

Which says it all, really.

malaguena · 23/01/2018 21:21

I got my DH to leave after much discussion. I was actually planning to join myself last year as I am a socialist at heart, but seeing how this unravelled I just don't feel that the Labour party is a safe place for women. I have joined the socialist feminist network and I don't know how I will vote next time, but probably not Labour unless massive turnaround.

RogueBiscuit · 23/01/2018 21:14

I left and said why. So did my husband.

DjunaBarnes · 23/01/2018 21:09

I feel like the ever since the referendum it's been a series of last straws, but I think blind support of the GRA and the AWS might really be the final one. It's the sheer refusal to allow women a voice on something that effects them and the empowerment of these ex-NUS child-stalinists like the ones keeping that doxxing list that really enrages me. I'm waiting to see what happens with Jennifer James' legal challenge, but I think it's likely I'll quit.

For anyone contemplating the greens - they are much worse on this and with even more nutters.

BarrackerBarmer · 23/01/2018 20:57

I wish someone with technical skills could devise an incredibly simple website. One where you literally just click a button to register your support for women being recognised by sex not gender.
No identifying data collected.
Just a tally of numbers.
"People who want recognition of sex not gender."
No comments section.

I've no idea how you'd ensure people couldn't be double counted or identified. Or doxxed. But just like we've watched the crowd funder rise, I think people want their opinions to be noted without fear of harassment.

Glitterypinksoap · 23/01/2018 20:51

Also politically homeless.

BarrackerBarmer · 23/01/2018 20:49

I'm not a member but if I was I would have left! I'm a labour voter though.

If one party, just one, stood up and declared their stance that the female sex were a distinct category that deserved the right to be recognised as such, they would get my vote regardless of their stance on any other issue.

The only way women can make the magnitude of their dissent felt is through a democratic and secret vote.

I would bet my house that a large portion of women who claim to support this hateful ideology would privately vote against it.

Political parties are currently behaving like tinpot dictators stationing their heavies st the polling stations to ensure the vote goes their way. No one with any self preservation instinct would challenge this publicly given the backlash. But our vote is still democratic and anonymous. And powerful.

All I want is one single issue party to give women the opportunity to demonstrate their opposition and have the strength of their votes recognised.

Perhaps once women's rights are secured we can get back to fighting for other stuff, instead of simply fighting for our own legal recognition.

Battleax · 23/01/2018 20:48

DH and I left when Corbyn took charge.

Lots left when they failed and are still failing to deal with anti semitism.

I was hoping his tenure would be short and that various things would improve once he'd gone, but it's so many things now and so intractable.

howonearthdidigethere · 23/01/2018 20:47

Yes and I copied the entire Labour Party in pretty much. No one replied and I’m still on their mailing list Hmm

Battleax · 23/01/2018 20:45

Thinking about it. Trying to restrain myself from making angry decisions, really.

NaturalBlondeYeahRight · 23/01/2018 20:44

The Labour Party feels like a 6th form debating club now. Not a party for a grown up. So depressing.

Lovelyusername · 23/01/2018 20:43

To be fair, Caroline Lucas does try to put a good case forward and says the GRA won’t change things.

But in the words of Joni Mitchell - ‘I don’t believe her’

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 23/01/2018 20:41

What made you leave when he was leader? Am just nosey.

His views on many things. I didnt do it straight away, DH did. We were aware of him of old though. His failure to deal with anti semitism was the final straw.

Lovelyusername · 23/01/2018 20:41

I did, I emailed and wrote but no reply.

I made an complaint regarding Lily’s appointment in particular.

Now I’d like to join the Green Party but they are ‘affirming that people can be whoever they want’. So no better

MiMi78 · 23/01/2018 20:36

Piglet
I only joined when Corbyn was made leader Grin
I thought he was the answer to our prayers. What a dimwit I was.
Started being a bit pissed off when they were so crap over Brexit, then incandescent with rage over this Self Id nonsense.
What made you leave when he was leader? Am just nosey.

mimivanne · 23/01/2018 20:33

I joined when Jeremy became leader and left over the AWS issues.I called the membership line and was asked to send an email and please to give the reasons why.
I got in touch with my MP (Labour) about the LP male womens officer,self defined women and the AWS ,explaining that males on all womens shortlist was a step too far for me and I had resigned.No response from LP but I did get a regrets email from my MP.

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