Were you a Labour Party member who has left due to GRA issues and self ID

Considering this over the past few weeks.

From the brief discussions I've had with other members, the majority have no idea about self-id and the PArty's stated positions.

Am thinknig there are too many other issues in addition where support for the more just position would go down the plug hole along with women's identification.

I may be the only one, but I find the idea of affiliating yourself with a party very strange. You need to look at all the party manifestos at the time of the election and choose which one you will be happiest to stand behind (you can never of course be fully behind any of them). Not to vote for a party just because you have always voted for them (or even worse because your parents have always voted for them). Many of you are feeling politically homeless now but there is still some time before the next GE.

Another considering leaving

Useless leadership, useless on Brexit and now self identification

But I want to stay for when I have a chance to vote for a different leader but this will not be for some years

Now I’ve just typed that out I have my answer Oh fuck it I’m leaving

Barrack there must be LOADS of women on MN who can make a website.

Make a new thread asking specifically?
I agree we need one big site like a Wordpress or something where we can collect and post stuff and debate etc.

And link to this!

List of members of Lily Madigan's Labour Party group that collated the Hit List.

I've cancelled my direct debit and torn up my card. I haven't yet emailed them but when I do I shall certainly be very clear about the reason. I've been banging on about it on Twitter too. It's a massive backwards step for women's rights. I agree it leaves us "homeless" - it's time for a new left wing party

Considering leaving but not sure what to do really. Feeling politically homeless :(

This.

Everyone (including us!) in civilised company says and believes they are "pro trans" but when you explain the actual reality of what is being proposed by the TRA, they jump back like scalded cats, exclaiming "no, no I didn't mean THAT extent!".

That's a big part of the problem. People don't know what is happening/being proposed.

Basically, I think the decent rank and file of labour are unaware of this issue.

Tbh I very much doubt that they don't know. I had the same lines from them about anti-Semitism. They did fully know.

Labour came knocking on my door on Friday might to canvass my young adult son and daughter (who were not at home) about some local arrangements. We had a bit of a chat, they asked me why I didn't join the party and get involved. I explained my uneasiness about the GRA and Labour's stance on women shortlists and the whole Lily Madigan debacle.

They didn't seem to know much about it, were genuinely appalled and promised to look into the issue. Basically, I think the decent rank and file of labour are unaware of this issue.

My name's on the crowdfunder. i was never an active member so it's no skin off my nose if they chuck me out. saves me the trouble of cancelling my direct debit

There are motions being voted on all over the place. I'm wondering if there was a way to get these declared invalid on the basis that there would have been a strong element of coercion in the voting process.

They were voted on via open ballot. Given the hostile treatment, threats of job loss etc meted out to people who speak against the inclusion of self-IDing women on AWS, could we argue that these votes are undemocratic and made under duress? I'm not familiar enough with the Labour internal voting process to know if this is doable. Pilgrim Tucker on facebook has said she's had some private messages of support from people who voted in favour of motions because they were frightened of the consequences of voting against.

Not Labour, but I have just left the Scottish Greens over this. Patrick Harvies' arrogant and dismissive statement was the straw that broke this camel's back.

This might be a little off topic. If you are a labour voter, with a great female labour mp, what do you do? This momentum/labour fusion is distasteful , and im not sure if they are elected can be resisted by sensible minded labour mp's. Do i vote for and get animal farm in parlement or tactically and lose a good mp?

Yes, I left over this issue. Lifetime Labour voter.
I have opted out of giving them money through my union subscription too. I'm not paying the fuckers to erase women.

I'm still hanging on. Just.

I cancelled my DD yesterday. Must write to my MP to say why. (I'm sure he'll write back with some half-arsed response about being on the right side of history and it being just like gay rights, but what the fuck, at least I can register my annoyance).

Have you seen Corbyn's arrogant performance on the Andrew Marr show this morning.

The more this idea gets floated the more people are horrified. the idea that anyone can say there female and they are, and have an access all areas pass.

So...last night, after a few drinks at a party, I got into a conversation about politics and, emboldened by the booze, I brought up the issues around AWS and the GRA.

No-one in the group of maybe six 40-something, politically-active (Tory, Labour, Lib Dem...even socialist) and opinionated people had heard about the issues. But all of them were absolutely gobsmacked and horrified when I explained it. And the thing was, they all got it, immediately. They absolutely saw the implications for women.

One of them was a true-blue Tory friend with whom I've had many heated conversations about Corbyn and the Labour party. He was gracious enough not to gloat about my change of heart.

I was interested in the WEP, but it’s useless. Jolly hockey sticks and no teeth.

And if you think the left belive in democracy, I have news. They don’t. This is an outrage in two parts, it’s lack of coverage and the start of the same hard left Bennite corruption that destroyed cites in the 1980s when labour controlled them. GBH is a drama based on fact. Anyway, prepare to be outraged.

853london.com/2018/01/25/greenwich-labour-candidate-selected-despite-being-condemned-by-judge/

Corbyn has never cared about women or inequality. In forty years under his stewardship inequality has widened so much, that it beats Kensington in wealth dispracity. It’s offically the worst place in Britain to be a woman. there are business all over the ward with gender segregation policies. He covered up whistle blowers and survivors complaints about child abuse, google Corbyn Dickinson. Anyway, I know from my experience on the left in my youth how monsterous the Bennites are. And they are in bed with that rape cult the SWP. Corbyn has never cared about the working classes, the Jewish community, child safety or indeed women. Sorry to rant, but this dude is the worst kind of labour man. His brocalism runs deep, his hatred of the west, and of genuine progress and aspiration. With added cynism. He is a bona fida bad man. This man argued that peadophilia was a social construct. I know this because a friend was in that CLP and heard him. She resigned. I could go on about how his arrest was a total fraud, and he was told not to get arrested as the ban was to be lifted and they could pocket legitimately. How do I know this? A friend was on the branch of the AMC. The man has always been a posturing, self serving, egotistic douche bag.

And breathe.

climbs off soapbox

www.google.co.uk/amp/m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_59b7a68fe4b031cc65cc5c24/amp

I've been idly wondering today how many women it would take to join the useless WEP covertly, and when the timing is right, execute a strategic coup and declare it to be the party fighting for adult human females.
And all the politically homeless women can flock to it, make a protest vote for it, scare the willies off the other parties because of the sheer voting potential of disillusioned women, and subsequently get their sexist, woman-hating houses in order to entice us all back.

And then we can finally get back to whatever it was we did before we had to fight for our own existence.

Feel homeless too, but given we’re i live is only two horse race I’m not sure I could abstain and risk tories getting in. Catch 22

If women who've been in the party for years - even decades - are being silenced, what makes you think that they'll listen to a new member?