Don't leave labour over AWS - stay and fight

I'm a Jewish feminist. There is no place in Labour for me in 2018

^ this.

Come to think of it, I am actually a huge twat for not joining Labour and voting in the leadership elections. More fool me.

I actually used to live pretty much next door to Jezza, I could have engaged him in conversation on this topic or stolen the inner tubes off his wheels on a daily basis

Yes, but you choose who doesn’t get it. Is yours. You don’t just automatically give to a party that gives no shits about you. And if you want input in leadership, labour let you buy a vote for three quid, although I’d rather spend mine on beer.

I used to canvass for Labour with my dad as a kid, in a solidly Tory seat. Ah, to be that certain, that safe, in my views and my allegiances...

Both DH and I have had enough of Bromentum, John McDonnell, Corbyn, the shouty twitter brigade and the whole atrocious lot of them. I love the idea that I, as a floating voter, have to make the parties work for my vote, but in reality I'm left with no-one to vote for never voting tory

Amen Weezol #WeAreAllGillianDuffyNow. Labour is as working class as Waitrose.

Although Waitrose is ace, it’s posh. And incidentally North London has many branches. Two in my neighbourhood.

I'm a working class, Northern, gender critical Feminist surviving on disability benefits. Naturally Labour wouldn't you think?

Between anti-semitism, Bromentum, TRA's, all 'white Northerners' being thick racists who voted leave and the metrocentic bubble there is no place for me. The Labour Party doesn't give a damn about people like me in their old powerbase constituencies.

I've had it with being marginalised, patronised, dismissed and shut down.

Labour have never had a female leader, never a BAME leader. They are not a progressive party. At all. And look at it now. White, middle class leadership. Overrun with middle class men. We don’t count to them. Never did

Racist and sexist, how quaint.

Gacapa it’s literally life changing. I don’t fear a Stalinist list or purge. I’m a floating voter, I make election results. You have so much more power when they need your vote, not that you pay them to give it to them. It’s bonkers. It’s almost a cult. And I don’t just mean the cuddly Jeremy people either. I feel like Leah Rimini or something. 😂

@hammer, this isn't a single party issue. I'd love to work with women across other parties.

I've had the same experience as you Hammer. It's liberating to be free of it all. I used to love the inclusion and safety of comradeship. Until the stifling and backstabbing made me realise I could forge my own activism. Never looked back.

Hey, just a brain fart; how would you guys feel about working across parties with women to get a debate on this started. From your Sun reader, to your Telegraph reader. I’m pretty sure most people don’t know this is happening, and the very real repercussions that we are not allowed to speak about. Lian Huntley anyone?

Seriously, being in a party hinders your activism.

I am rapidly coming to this conclusion. I think I can do more for women and for people unfairly bearing brunt of austerity outside a political party than inside it.

Labour have never had a female leader, never a BAME leader. They are not a progressive party. At all. And look at it now. White, middle class leadership. Overrun with middle class men. We don’t count to them. Never did.

Not one female leader

I used to help out back in the day but this has been a big sticking point for me over the years. Even with the AWS, they haven't got there.

I would like to vote for labour, but usually I vote for whoever best suits at the time. Funnily enough it has never been conservative . and since I live in a permanently safe seat my vote has never counted for anything anyway

So if not labour, who to support? I cannot vote Tory, I am not a "non man", the lib dems?
It is very disheartening.

I'm staying. There is opposition to self-id in our CLP.

And stay in contact with the decent MPs. A lot of them support you, and will raise stuff.

We vote for Who leads the country. The electorate. Labour give no fucks about them. They just rely on our vote out of tribalism. Break free.

Seriously, being in a party hinders your activism. I’ve been able to take Corbyn to task on antisemitism, campaign openly on the GRA issue, constantly badger labour about the situation in Iran and why they are failing progressives and women, and backing a dictatorship. You can do more. Being in a party does nothing. Stirring up shit does stuff. I was in a violent abusive relationship for ten years, I know all about not heeding red lines. Finally I broke. Took a lot. Grieved my history and past. Now I’m in the process of rebuilding. Being in labour and leaving is no different. It’s awful, you feel wretched, but you will never change it. It’s been like that since the last Bennite coup. You can do more ass kicking if not in the party. Rather than getting upset about expulsions, just give them the bird. And not your vote. Sorry. Massive rant. Been a really heavy few days.

For the first time in my adult life I thought I'd found a political party that represented me. And now this... no way.

I will defend the rights of transmen and transwomen but not at the expense of any other group. I am so utterly disappointed in Labour over this.

I'm not a Labour member, but I am a lifelong Labour voter, from a Labour family. I can't vote for them again. I don't know who to vote for - but how can I not vote? Feel so disenfranchised / despondent / angry.

Where’s your red line though? Your membership or your vote is tacit endorsement of this. If you leave, they want your vote. It’s yours. Not entitled to labour. I left two years ago, and it was the best decision I’ve made. I’ve done more campaigning and work against the Tories AND labour since not being chained to a party, and free to be vocal, and angry. Labour will never change. It’s always been this way. 25 years ago the left was arguing that peadophilia was a social construct, any one recognise that arguement? Fight for policies, not dogma and tribalism. The only way to change labour is to leave. And be able to really hold the bastards to account. Sorry rant there. But GRRRRR. Red lines are red lines, don’t be in a Stockholm relationship with labour. It will never get better. Not one female leader. Not one BAME leader. And trans will be chucked under a bus too. Chat to a few working class people about labour, they ain’t happy.