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Letter from Irish feminists to British "Terfs"

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SoupyNorman · 23/01/2018 08:27

Link here. All sorts of issues bound up in this, but it got a lot of traction on Irish Twitter last night.

One point it does make is that the equivalent of Gender Id has been the case in Ireland for a couple of years, and yet the sky hasn't fallen in for women. Is that the case? Can any one living in Ireland confirm that? I sort of think you're not comparing like with like when it comes to the trans community in Ireland and that in the U.K., but I'd be interested to hear other thoughts.

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wombleID · 23/01/2018 09:18

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Vango · 23/01/2018 09:16

I am astonished that they haven’t got bigger fish to fry! Where to even start with inequality in Ireland!?

Deadlylampshade · 23/01/2018 09:16

Also how would you know if there had been a spike in crime? They wouldn’t be able to record it as a crime by a trans person it would have to be from a woman.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 23/01/2018 09:14

Funny how certain male rights things are protected in these laws - like women not being able to id as men and become priests in Ireland or gain peerages in UK.

To be honest I did wonder why the talk was happening in Dublin, but this talk is organised by ONE woman

Got to love the sneery tone of that letter and the message that there are no terfs in Ireland (and the streets are paved with sparkly diamonds), and we don't need your Brit bigotry here

HairyBallTheorem · 23/01/2018 09:12

Hmm, abortion rights (or the lack thereof) in Ireland, anyone? Interesting that a group of men who feel like they're women have made greater strides in being taken seriously as the most oppressed group ever than all the women in Ireland who still can't access abortion.

(I know this looks superficially like "whataboutery", but in this instance I really don't think it is. This is a case where women, self-avowed feminists, are taking time out from doing real feminism in order to defend men).

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SoupyNorman · 23/01/2018 09:12
Hmm

Did you mean to come across as such an arsehole, Jigglytuff?

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Jigglytuff · 23/01/2018 09:10

The entire population of Ireland is just over half the size of the population of London. It's smaller than the Scottish population.

It's an irrelevance.

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SoupyNorman · 23/01/2018 09:07

Me either. Is it because the trans community is much smaller? Less beset by TRAs?

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Phuquocdreams · 23/01/2018 09:01

I haven't been aware of any issues in Ireland for women arising out of the Gender Id Act, I have to say.

FlaviaAlbia · 23/01/2018 08:41

Different laws in the UK and Ireland. Different protected characteristics too.

I'm trying to think how to word this, but in Belfast anyway, the feminism groups I've checked out have a TIM as a member who gravitates to anything that will give them publicity and a higher profile. So assuming that women are driving the policy might not be accurate there.

SweetGrapes · 23/01/2018 08:39

No - it's an exception. Like the exceptiin in Britain that daughter's of titled folks can't inherit even after transitioning.

You can see where the priorities lie Hmm

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SoupyNorman · 23/01/2018 08:35

Ah, interesting on the prisons. How is that legal, given the self-id law in Ireland? Or is it just the case that the issue hasn't yet arisen?

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SweetGrapes · 23/01/2018 08:33

Sorry for the typos

ATeardropExplodes · 23/01/2018 08:33

Exactly - huge difference.

SweetGrapes · 23/01/2018 08:31

Not really knowledgeable on this.... the only difference I know is that Irish prisons keep people in the gender of their birth whereas in Britain one of the main points is to keep peisoners in the prisin for the 'gender' they identify with - even self identify with. Massive difference.

glenthebattleostrich · 23/01/2018 08:30

Interesting they don't mention the fact that certain areas are still sex segregated, such as prisons.

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