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Letter from Irish feminists to British "Terfs"

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SoupyNorman · 23/01/2018 08:27

Link here. All sorts of issues bound up in this, but it got a lot of traction on Irish Twitter last night.

One point it does make is that the equivalent of Gender Id has been the case in Ireland for a couple of years, and yet the sky hasn't fallen in for women. Is that the case? Can any one living in Ireland confirm that? I sort of think you're not comparing like with like when it comes to the trans community in Ireland and that in the U.K., but I'd be interested to hear other thoughts.

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Maryz · 24/01/2018 18:31

Oh, and could your definition of "woman" include transwomen, but exclude men, especially "creep men" please.

Because as far as I can see any creep man can declare he is a woman and you will automatically believe him. So it would be helpful if you could define the difference. And explain to me how you know the difference, by a glance, between a trans and a not fucking trans person. Thanks.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 24/01/2018 18:30

Can't let a few Mickies get in the way of international virtue now can they?

The Terfs will be coming up the Liffey in their dingies and and carting the transwomen off to Kilmainham

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SoupyNorman · 24/01/2018 18:29

Nice misogynistic language btw.

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Maryz · 24/01/2018 18:28

Marmalady, what is a woman?

Can you give me a definition of what a woman is in relation to women's spaces and women's sports?

I'm not transphobic, I have no issue with transpeople living their lives however they wish, wearing whatever clothes they like. I do have an issue with men insisting they are women and demanding that they have access to safe spaces such as refuges and support groups where vulnerable women may want to get away from men.

I also have an issue with teenagers being allowed to take drugs that will make them infertile.

Do you have an opinion on any of these issues, or are you just going to shout insults at everyone?

MarmaladyLumps · 24/01/2018 18:28

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SoupyNorman · 24/01/2018 18:22

Cop on and let ppl who aren't bothering you, just live their lives.

What if we are bothered by male bodies in female spaces? Then are we allowed raise concerns?

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MarmaladyLumps · 24/01/2018 18:21

Solidarity with any trans ppl who have to put up with this bullshit. ✌️✊

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 24/01/2018 18:19

Nice

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AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 24/01/2018 18:09

Just has a look at the twitter chat surrounding this. It's just pretty much a rant of fuck you English women, we Irish are better than that.

Which pretty much looks like bog standard racism to me.

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FlaviaAlbia · 24/01/2018 16:52

Actually, I've never heard of them before, I was just working on the assumption a TIM was involved and plastering a feminism label on their views!

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 24/01/2018 15:49

Indeed what a surprise.

And now we have the brave Irish feminists going all GPO on the 'English' feminists.

Ooo- Ah Up the 'RA. Nice touch.

It was organised by one woman. Good that relations between Ireland and England can be trashed by one upstart

NotTerfNorCis · 24/01/2018 15:44

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SoupyNorman · 24/01/2018 14:42

Thanks Flavia. I note that IHREC link only runs up to 2012, mind you. I wonder how all this plays out in the wake of the Gender Recognition Act.

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MayFayner · 24/01/2018 14:41

Something else that needs to be said is that Ireland does not appear to have shouty female penis type TRAs, like there are in the UK.

No we don't have many of these and most of the Irish population would be shocked to find out that they even exist.

There is a "live and let live" philosophy here which would be swiftly reconsidered if any of this aggressive "lady-dick" type of crap made it into the mainstream media. I agree with everything Maryz said upthread too.

UpstartCrow · 24/01/2018 14:38

Feminism has been actively discouraged in NI by some quarters.

It is interesting that the people who wrote that letter dont know about women in the UK funding abortion pills and helping with railroads.

FlaviaAlbia · 24/01/2018 14:35

Here www.ihrec.ie/download/pdf/ihrec_equal_status_rights_explained.pdf

It's discussed on this thread, which had a link to another thread discussing it.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3141014-The-GRA-in-Ireland

FlaviaAlbia · 24/01/2018 14:33

I've got a link to a document, hang on while I hoke it out.

Vicxy · 24/01/2018 14:26

There's an 'interesting' theory that gender critical feminists are going to Ireland to disrupt Irish feminism just before a big debate on abortion rights. Because gender critical feminists are funded by the right-wing anti-abortionists. As you might expect.

Wow, they really do talk out of their arses and will come up with any ridiculous theory as to why gender critical feminists are literally the devil eh. Yes, I am sure high on gender critical feminists list of priorities is making sure Irish women cannot access abortions Hmm Sounds very feminist-y

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SoupyNorman · 24/01/2018 14:26

Hmm can't see any mention of exceptions in that Act. Anyone have a link to where I might find them?

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