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Letter from Irish feminists to British "Terfs"

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SoupyNorman · 23/01/2018 08:27

Link here. All sorts of issues bound up in this, but it got a lot of traction on Irish Twitter last night.

One point it does make is that the equivalent of Gender Id has been the case in Ireland for a couple of years, and yet the sky hasn't fallen in for women. Is that the case? Can any one living in Ireland confirm that? I sort of think you're not comparing like with like when it comes to the trans community in Ireland and that in the U.K., but I'd be interested to hear other thoughts.

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FlaviaAlbia · 24/01/2018 21:23

Lots of reports I suppose. That's only the second post I've ever had deleted

Bit of a pointless deletion though as it's been screenshotted on twitter Grin

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 24/01/2018 21:20

Why were so many posts deleted?

UpstartCrow · 24/01/2018 20:08

MarmaladyLumps

You didnt answer my question about how this affects women such as Muslim women.

Maryz · 24/01/2018 19:29

I don't want them to not exist. That's ridiculous. I'm a supporter of trans rights, I just think that it would be helpful if transpeople took into consideration that women's rights have been hard fought for and that some (not all) transpeople are trampling all over them.

I'd also prefer them (and you) not to call me names (cis, terf) and I'd prefer if you (and they) would discuss things instead of threatening violence and claiming persecution.

But that seems too much to ask for.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 24/01/2018 19:26

Expecting a new name change Aoife anytime soon....

HairyBallTheorem · 24/01/2018 19:25

Of course trans people exist. Don't be bloody daft. No-one's questioning the existence of trans people. I may disagree over the ideological interpretation of what it is to be trans, in that I don't believe transwomen are literally, indistinguishably women.

What I do want is to make sure women don't find themselves in prison with male sex offenders (Paris Green), or confronted with a transwoman doing their cervical smear, or doing their rape kit after sexual assault, or finding themselves facing a 16 stone, 6'4" male bodied individual in the front row of the opposing team's scrum in a game of women's rugby.

Xenophile · 24/01/2018 19:24

No one but trans whacktivists ever say they don't want trans people to exist or believe trans exist. It's such a complete straw man that I have to now assume you don't know shit about shit.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 24/01/2018 19:22

Sure dude.

MarmaladyLumps · 24/01/2018 19:20

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UpstartCrow · 24/01/2018 19:07

MarmaladyLumps Wed 24-Jan-18 18:28:23
Seriously? Trans women are women.
if a man is pretending to be trans, he's not fucking trans. Duh.

How do I tell the difference? Which one can I safely challenge if he's in my space?
Which one can a Muslim women remove her hijab in front of?

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 24/01/2018 19:06

And, ooops, he's protected his tweets

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 24/01/2018 19:03

Thanks Soupy and hoping you are not calling me a vile Brit terf bitch

NotTerfNorCis · 24/01/2018 19:00

There's something very masculine about marmalady's aggression.Hmm

Maryz · 24/01/2018 18:52

Lots of times, actually Hmm.

Especially in medical settings. Where it does happen, and it is an issue.

Not to mention all-women shortlists, women only scholarships and women's sports.

Xenophile · 24/01/2018 18:51

Keep up the delightful misogyny there, dear. We see you.

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Maryz · 24/01/2018 18:49

Why not teach us, Marmalady?

Show us how you know who is genuine trans and who is not. Show us how to define "woman" in such a way as to include trans women but exclude men.

Debate this, ffs, you can't convince people by shouting insults at them.

MarmaladyLumps · 24/01/2018 18:46

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SoupyNorman · 24/01/2018 18:46

Nach iontach é, Assigned Wink

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HairyBallTheorem · 24/01/2018 18:45

So... biology doesn't make people men or women, an internal sense of gender identity does. But (since I am not a mind reader) the only way I can tell what gender someone is, is to ask them. But now you concede some people lie about that.

So how on earth am I meant to tell?

Can't go off their adam's apple.
Can't read their minds.
Can't automatically believe they're telling the truth.

How. Do. I. Tell?

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 24/01/2018 18:45

Oh look, another one who comes in, throws insults and then shalimars

Because they cannot defend the bollocks they insist everyone else believe

Quelle surprise.

What's that in the Gaelic now?

NotTerfNorCis · 24/01/2018 18:42

I've just been reading an Irish republican feminist called flyingteacosy on Twitter. Mind bending stuff. I'd love to have a debate with her if just to ask - if gender is a social construct (as she admits) how can someone be born the wrong social construct?

nauticant · 24/01/2018 18:41

if a man is pretending to be trans, he's not fucking trans

It's great isn't it? You have to have trans people in your female spaces and if you are subject to voyeurism or assaulted, hey presto, that wasn't a trans person at all!

It's a neat way to incorporate into the definition of trans "the absolute inability to to do anything wrong".

MarmaladyLumps · 24/01/2018 18:40

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ATeardropExplodes · 24/01/2018 18:36

Newsflash: if a man is pretending to be trans, he's not fucking trans. Duh

Yes that is what we are saying. Doh!

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