Letter from Irish feminists to British "Terfs"

Why do they keep calling British women colonialists and imperialists though?

To me that read more like wholesale importation of US-style SJW 'intersectional feminism' - this language is par for the course in US feminism, where if you disagree with a feminist perspective - say, opposition to the sex industry - you denounce it as 'white feminism': racist, colonialist and imperialist. As Irishwomen they can't really go with the 'racist' accusation, but they can certainly weaponise 'colonialist' and 'imperialist'.

Sorry if that sounds a bit cynical. I'm not Irish but some of my family are and I've lived in both the North and the South, and I don't recall this type of language being used in feminist discourse there. I heard it from republicans, of course, but feminists typically had different concerns.

I do understand they’re usage, especially bring Scottish - but for folk who think they’re super tolerant and are fast to yell out bigot to others - seems they’re pretty bigoted and backwards themselves.

Why do they keep calling British women colonialists and imperialists though?

Because Ireland is a country that was colonised? It harks back to plantation times.

I don't agree with the tone of the letter or using colonialist in it, but I agree that as an Irish person I've seen a bit of an imperial attitude before from British people. It was especially noticeable when the Brexit talks couldn't progress due to not being acceptable to us and the GFA.

It's the republican mindset. All Brits are imperialist. The Union Jack is the Butcher's Apron.

Why do they keep calling British women colonialists and imperialists though? They might dissgree - but strange to use those words.

Yep #TERFsOut echoes Brits Out.

It's ok to call yourself a feminist and call people 'slimy bitches' in her head but not believe men can't be women.

Yeah, she sounds perfectly rational

It's more to do with having a go at 'Brits' than giving a fuck about transpeople.

Ooh seems you have some new fans from across the water! Looks like they were silly teens going through silly phases they outgrew - unlike today’s so woke teens who don’t go through phases, who won’t change their views on anything.

Sorry I meant to say there is a comment section under that article I linked to.

Well, I have finally posted someone in reply to a (gay male) "friends" Facebooks post on Terfs. I am probably going to be seen as a full-on terf now. I hope I get some replies from people who liked the original post as I would love to draw their attention to some of the issues (which I seriously doubt they have thought through).

This is the first thing I have posted in public on the issue. I ended up posting a few messages so hopefully it doesn't look like a rant (they are well thought out messages, but not ideal to post a few, but they get too long to read otherwise).

Along with the insulting Terf post he posted this: www.irishcentral.com/news/irish-feminists-warn-away-british-terfs

I took issue with this sentence from the article "TERFs have decried what they view as the abolition of gender."

Just lol to that sentence, talk about not getting it.

On the one hand I feel I have enough controversy in my life, but this issue has me really annoyed at how ridiculous people are being in denying biology and even worse, the rape threats and the like towards women who are gender critical.

I used to think people here were being a bit mean towards transexuals, but then the more posts I read the more I saw they had a point, and of course I learned "old-fashioned" transexuals and transgender are not the same thing.

Jesus, Mary and Joseph, as my old granny used to say.

I may have to go over and see that this year, as well as Mary from Dunloe.

maryfromdungloe.com/

I think they came back and clarified that transwomen WOULD be welcome to enter. .... "you're ALL lovely girls!"

How does the 'Rose of Tralee' pageant get to opt out of allowing TIMs from entering?

www.irishmirror.ie/whats-on/whats-on-news/transgender-women-barred-entering-rose-9742040

One thing I learned from reading up on the current legislation is that in order to get a GRC in Ireland one cannot currently be married or in a civil partnership.

There is a public consultation underway in Ireland on the 'Gender Recognition Act', on issues including provisions for children aged 16 and 17, for those under 16, and provision for 'nonbinary' identities. TENI (Trans Equality Network Ireland) are on the advisory committee.

Submissions can be made by email before 5th February to [email protected] with 'Submission' as the subject line.

'*while continuing to protect male privilege'... that should read

That's something I was wondering about too SaintEyning. As a girl growing up in Ireland, I always wanted to be a priest and was pissed off that girls weren't welcome in the Church except as nuns. I wonder if this gender self-identification business cuts the mustard with the Church.... maybe I can finally realize my childhood dreams...

I am guessing the Catholic Church stood firm on getting that one excluded from the legislation though, just as the UK GRA bill as currently drafted excludes transgender FTM daughters from claiming hereditary titles.

Evidence again, as if more were needed, that this gender SI stuff is all about expanding male rights to encroach on women's spaces and reducing the rights we had to fight for and continuing to protect male privilege and power.

Ah the bullshit about not wanting trans people to exist. I have literally only ever heard that said by transactivists. Arguing against something that 'terfs' never say in the first place. Why on earth would anyone want trans people not to exist? Its just silly.

If a woman can't SI and become a priest as specified in the legislation, is the reverse also true - can a man SI and become a nun?

You have to admit it's class tactics. Get all your libfem pals up in arms about the 'imperialist' English bitches and make it all about the invasion of English TERFS.

And Irish feminism not being like that dontyaknow

And shove your Brexit up your arse too (because we must ALL support that too)

Anything that named the fella. He's obviously been onto MN.