Labour’s NEC Set To Confirm Trans People Allowed On All-Women Shortlists

Why March? Any explanation?

"What's the furthest we can kick this down the road without being pulled up for being cowards over this?"

Why March? Any explanation?

On the announcement, Pink New are saying the stance will be clarified in March. They are also saying: "It is understood that the party’s approach includes not turning away self-identifying trans women from all-women shortlists, though the party has refused repeated requests to explicitly say so."

They have somehow headlined this as Labour having made and declared the decision but whatever.

I guess the only danger is if there's a hand maiden in mnhq who would be prepared to break data protection act and hand info over.

I doubt it but even if that happens I've said nothing illegal and stand by it.

They can try and doxx me all they want. Couldn't give a shit if they throw me out the labour party, am leaving anyway. They won't make a connection to my Twitter and even if they did that's totally anonymous. Most they can do is from old posts work out what I do for a job and which city I'm in. Which narrows it down to a few thousand maybe.

Mumsnet isn't a private members only forum, anyone can view our posts.

We already knew they were a bunch of obsessive creeps with a cultish desire to stamp out heresy. We already knew their aversion to scientific reason causes them physical pain when other people don't feel obliged to buy their shit. We already knew they were combing through the posts of heretics and blasphemers? Who fucking cares. Creepers gonna creep.

Hi Labour staffers in membership!

Some helpful notes on my opinions for your secret list:

Penis is male.
Transwomen are male.
Male cannot become female.
Woman means adult human female.
Females are underrepresented in parliament
Males are over represented
There are too many people with penises
And not enough people with vaginas in parliament
All women shortlists are to increase the proportion of females to males.
Or, to decrease the proportion of penises and increase the proportion of vaginas, if you prefer.
(And, if you are appalled that I need to make genital references, perhaps ponder on what word is now acceptable to refer to people with penises/people with vaginas. If you have a word that refers to people with XX chromosomes and vaginas that we could use let me know, I'll use it.)
And, when the penny drops that it is taboo to refer to those people, can you take a moment to wonder why?
Peehaps the whole point of trans activism is to oppose any reference or rights or fair represention of people with vaginas, to deny them even their name.
Do please then realise that you've colluded with the idea that it is wrong to allow recognition of the largest oppressed group in history.
And while you're at it, could you take a moment to consider that you are actively ensuring that the proportionate representation of people with vaginas is going back down, and penises are once again being over represented and can you give yourselves a little shake?

We don't need more penises. We need an equal number of vaginas.

P.s. transmen should ABSOLUTELY be included on AWS.

Thought that might make your seedy little thought crime list easier to compile. Happy to help.

P.S. I dont 'self identify as a woman' because I'm told that this categorically does NOT mean "I can prove my biological sex is female" I therefore have no identity that you recognise as valid.

I have a vagina and two x chromosomes. Make of that what you will.

Still no official news on AWS, I take it?

What's the hold up?

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I don't think so, but I honestly don't know. I can ask for some clarification.

I’m on a MARAC, doxx me, and the police will go after them hard. What can they do? Toss you out of labour? Oh boo hoo. They are throwing you out of a party that treats you like this? That’s not a threat. Don’t listen to silly intimidation.

I can't believe we're even having this conversation; discussing the possibility of our data being revealed to the powers that be for discussing our concerns over the trans (or TRA I should probably say - I am absolutely not tarring all trans people with the same brush ... love you Miranda Yardley smile) ideology and how it affects women and children. We aren't the ones inciting or carrying out violence for fuck's sake.

If nothing else seeing that dynamic play out should be educational for people who're still on the fence about the whole issue.

Cuppa, do you mean there's something additional just for mumsnet users?

I think you're right TallulahWaitingInTheRain

Unless they're trying to hack mumsnet (not a good look surely) I imagine the worst they can do is try to make connections between people's mn and twitter handles, or identify individuals by collating bits of personal info they've provided in the course of posting.

This.

Most posters name change regularly anyway.

I keep mine for a reason which is more important than worrying about that shit (I'd be a very poor choice to dox anyway).

There's absolutely no indication that MN have anything whatsoever to do with this in the info that I've been given - and considering that they have let these conversations take place with little to no involvement from MNHQ (not that I think this is due to their own personal views on GI, but more taking the stand of impartiality) - I doubt they would even consider it unless forced to by authorities.

I can't believe we're even having this conversation; discussing the possibility of our data being revealed to the powers that be for discussing our concerns over the trans (or TRA I should probably say - I am absolutely not tarring all trans people with the same brush ... love you Miranda Yardley :)) ideology and how it affects women and children. We aren't the ones inciting or carrying out violence for fuck's sake.

Unless they're trying to hack mumsnet (not a good look surely) I imagine the worst they can do is try to make connections between people's mn and twitter handles, or identify individuals by collating bits of personal info they've provided in the course of posting.

Sounds a bit thankless to me.

Good luck obtaining a court order on what is posted here. You'd have to demonstrate the law had been broken before it would be granted.

Mumsnet HQ would have to be determined to self-sabotage to breach data protection regs, surely. The more likely scenarios are either an attempt at hacking to get that info or a DDOS attack to shut us all up.

Yes ... surely they can only hand over details with a court order...

They're one of the only organisations in the country that have been willing to stick their necks out over this so I'd be very surprised if they wanted to (thanks mnhq )

Plus I think it would be in breach of data protection law, plus it would be really really bad for their business model.

Could they? MN are subject to data protection...

MNHQ would not hand over our details would they????

Do you mean all of us or just party members? What are they going to do with us when they catch us? Ceremonially cast us out of the Labour party if we are members? Doxx us more publicly? Come after us???

I really don't know - I suspect it is limited to labour party members but your guess is as good as mine regarding their motivation - they may be lashing out at everyone who resists their ideology.

I am no longer a party member as of about 8 minutes ago (DD cancelled, card now in about 20 pieces and shitty email sent to my (now ex) CLP), so adding me to some purge list is a waste of their time.

Bring it on. I'd love to see an employer justify dismissing an employee for anonymously posting on mumsnet that she believes people with penises are male following doxxing by a secret genderologist Labour Party Facebook group.

It would be the story of the century. It might just peak trans the entire country.

Assigned.

I'm happy to be on any list. The chances of me even voting Labour again after this debacle are about the same % as the number of TIM's for whom this women erasing shit show is being put on for, which is not a fucking lot, so excommunicate me all you want from your penis party.

TBF, I can be facetious about it because the worst they can do to me, is get me kicked off the PTA and I've been trying to extricate myself from it for three years so they'd be doing me a favor, but I'm concerned for all of those women who have jobs - this is crazy stuff.