Labour’s NEC Set To Confirm Trans People Allowed On All-Women Shortlists

Is this a huge issue outside of this bubble though? I mean, for me, if Labour push ahead with it it's the end of me voting for them.

But for most people I imagine this wouldn't even register in any sort of decision making process about who to vote for? Or I am underestimating?

I would not be surprised if it quietly is dropped due to lack of parliamentary time.

Well that would be a nightmare because then at the next GE I'd have to choose between:

• Vote for the continued torture of disabled and poor people and to decisively do away with the nhs
• Vote to obliterate women's spaces and protections
• Disenfranchise myself

Just when I was starting to feel represented for the first time in my adult life

I would not be happy if the fund was repurposed either. I'm horrified at what's going on, but the original aim was to make a legal challenge about AWS which might have wider implications for other organisations. I might consider donating to a separate request for legal fees to challenge a suspension but the original aim is too important to get sidetracked from.

Can twitter users post GC re Labour tweets with

#labourlosingwomen

Interesting political dynamic brewing here.

If the Cons think that this will lose Labour votes and help them win the election, then what happens to the GRA?

I would not be surprised if it quietly is dropped due to lack of parliamentary time.

We shall see.

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How can they decide to act unlawfully?!

I mean, they can decide to allow self-ID for internal party positions if they like - even though rule changes are supposed to be voted on at conference, it's not the law of the land.

But I thought there was a prima facie case that AWS are specific legal exemptions based on the protected characteristic of sex.

If this is the case, the best they can do legally is announce they'll change the law if they ever get into government.

As to the cash - happy to donate again to protect the signatories from witch hunting by Labour and challenging any unlawful announcement about AWS.

Does anyone know how to contact JJ privately? I can't use Twitter without outing myself and can't dm her as she doesn't follow me

I agree I am also uncomfortable with this, especially considering the ways in which this individual has sometimes acted. I am not sure their behaviour has always been above scrutiny and therefore I fear things will come out that may damage the cause. I think we need to be dispassionate stick to the law.

I think we're fucked. self id aws seem to me to be so clearly in breach of existing equality law that for them to go ahead knowing there are legal challenges brewing suggests to me that they want to be told they're not allowed to have them.

And then they can go 'oh damn, no aws, but it's not our fault, it's the fault of this equality law which needs amending.'

Fekko, indeed...but we all know who does the vast majority of unsung work. All those facilitated men would get a shock if women withdrew their labour.

Btw i am not suggesting the suspended person has harrassed anyone...but the reasons for suspension are likely to go beyond being gender critical or there would be many more suspensions.

That's not going to be nearly as useful as a legal opinion on self id generally.

Absolutely this ^^

If funds are needed to fight a separate legal case about suspension from the party, start a separate Go Fund Me appeal - I am sure many of the folk who donated to the AWS appeal would donate to both.

But we don't know exactly what the suspended person did or the reason for suspension. It could end up with arguments about what constitutes harrassment eg if the suspended member has been emailing one person in particular a lot or encouraging others to do so. Nobody else has been suspended so this is about whether one person crossed the line. That's not going to be nearly as useful as a legal opinion on self id generally.

I don't see much future for women in the Labour party really. I cancelled my DD last week.

I know its wrong but I really want MRA's to register en masse for the womens shortlists to show the idiocy of this policy

I'm a bit worried that's the long-term aim. Then they say sadly 'oh look, aws are unworkable without either bigotry or breaching equality law, we can't have them after all' and that's the end of that. A lefty way to ban aws? Tick.

Maybe we need all the gender critical men to sign up for the AWS now. There must be enough of them to make an impact.

Hmm. I think the money should be spent challenging the AWS decision, personally. It has far wider implications, eg scholarships, representation on boards etc.

How the hell is it progressive to force women to declare themselves feminine in order to be recognized as a woman?

Gender is the means of female oppression. Labour should be working to minimize gender not enshrine it.

This needs to be contested - and the money donated needs to be used for this - and legal assistance for those who are being harassed if available. But the main and original aim needs to be the focus.

I think the legal challenge to aws being opened to self iding males is more important and think it would be a shame if the fund was spent on one person

I do agree with this, but presumably contesting the suspension wouldn't just be about protecting one person but would also contest the idea that gender-critical views are a disciplinary matter within the Labour Party.

I know its wrong but I really want MRA's to register en masse for the womens shortlists to show the idiocy of this policy.

The short list is illegal under the EA if sex is not the defining characteristic