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There’s an epidemic of violence towards TIMs

36 replies

SwearyG · 22/01/2018 15:32

According to Paris Lees in the Guardian

I wonder how their statistics stack up against the violence towards women? For TIMs it’s:

1 in 8 have been attacked in the last year by a colleague or customer
1 in 3 have been discriminated against at a cafe, bar or restaurant
1 in 4 have been on the receiving end of domestic violence

Paris (the Paris who enjoys catcalls ) then goes on to explain the street harassment that they have suffered at the hands of men or boys, citing how they were frightened to walk to school when they were young (newsflash, girls were too), that they’ve had rubbish thrown at them (happened to me too), being assaulted in public (#mefuckingtoo).

They then go on to state that This violence is often justified on the grounds we’re not “real” women, that we’re tricksters, sick men who deserve to be beaten and murdered as if women aren’t beaten and murdered on the grounds that they’re real fucking women!

I’ve really only recently hit peak trans but gosh this helps. What exactly did Paris think they were identifying into? This is reality for women and girls from the time we enter puberty.

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Thehairthebod · 22/01/2018 16:38

Paris Lees can just fuck off.

A couple of years ago they were writing articles about:

-how awesome it is to be harassed and treated like a piece of meat and how it 'infantalises' women to say that it's OK to be uncomfortable with it.

-ripping apart another female journalists sexual experiences and completely demeaning anyone who could relate to that article. And then went on to list their own 'best things about sex' all of which had a distinctly male flavour and included being grabbed by the throat, and having socks stuffed in your mouth, hands behind your back 'whilst being rammer like a champ'. And wrote it all as a 'this is what women actually like ya know' article.

Now Saint Paris is bloody everywhere, nicking Jo Cox's lines about having more in common, appearing in Vogue to celebrate 100 years of women having the vote and being on TV and radio to talk about what a fabulous woman they are.

Interestingly they never engage in any debate on this issue, they will only appear with people who agree they are all woman. I mean, to be fair to Jane Fae, at least they had the bollocks (pun intended) to go up against Julie Bindel on the telly. I would love to see Paris do the same.

Weezol · 22/01/2018 16:29

I went to the moon last night. I can fly and identify as an atomspherically variant Thursday. I therefore demand all of the things all of the time. Any refusal to comply with my wishes is, like, ACTUAL violence xxx

P.S. I reached peak Trans about June last year and I am beyond sensible dissussion.

whoputthecatout · 22/01/2018 16:10

I was just going to comment on that Guardian story along the lines of "welcome to our world darling" and was this the same Paris Lees who wrote an article starting "Last summer I went to Ibiza, where I was catcalled, sexually objectified and treated like a piece of meat by men the entire week. And it was absolutely awesome." when the Guardian went whoops - comments on this article opened in error. Grin

Not that my comment would have got past the Guardian Big Brother censors I suppose for a minute....

PericardiumOne · 22/01/2018 16:00

I have a friend, a sweet sweet person who has recently decided to identify as a trans woman. They told me over coffee that they were reticent for a long time because 'they don't want to be scared of walking back home alone at night'.

Welcome to being a woman, I told them Hmm. I adore them, but I was slightly irritated by how naively they wanted the fun trappings but none of the difficulties, which are countless.

hackmum · 22/01/2018 15:56

I saw an argument on Twitter yesterday - can't remember who it was or even what it was about, but it was the usual thing where a woman said she didn't believe in allowing TIMs into women's spaces. Someone then came along - I kid you not - and said "Stop turning women into victims".

It's the sheer cheek of it. These people ENDLESSLY play the victim card - poor transwomen, we're more likely to be assaulted, more likely to kill ourselves, we're frightened of going into men's toilets or men's prisons in case we're physically attacked. And when women say, Well, yeah, we're frightened of those things too, WE are accused of turning women into victims. Are they really so stupid they don't see the illogicality of it? Or are they simply so motivated by hatred of women that they just have no respect for the truth?

treaclesoda · 22/01/2018 15:52

I'm searching for words to describe how I feel about this. And I think I've settled on 'boohoo'.

You want to be treated like women? Well this is how a lot of men treat women. Not much fun, is it?

Howyoualldoworkme · 22/01/2018 15:51

Oh dear, I'm being schooled on Twitter.
Apparently it's a different thing all together. I blame lack of critical thinking in universities. Don't get me started...

LangCleg · 22/01/2018 15:49

Sorry, messed that up!

A thing that takes normal humans a long time to get used to about trans activists. They lie about everything, and they don't care about being caught out. It's disconcerting to deal with people who place no value on the truth.

This is really typical behavior of trans activists and it's so hard to deal with people who really do lie constantly. You have to unlearn about everything you expect about human interaction.

These are two tweets I saw yesterday and they perfectly explain why I don't believe a single survey that asks for the responses of trans people. They. Just. Fucking. Lie.

Howyoualldoworkme · 22/01/2018 15:49

Well she changed her bloody tune didn't she!

LangCleg · 22/01/2018 15:47

A thing that takes normal humans a long time to get used to about trans activists.

They lie about everything, and they don't care about being caught out. It's disconcerting to deal with people who place no value on the truth.

GetDownDog · 22/01/2018 15:35

Is the violence actual violence or someone saying that transwomen aren't women?
The many peaktransing posts on Twitter lead to confusion on this issue.

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