There’s an epidemic of violence towards TIMs

But discrimination in this book is ‘didn’t call me Miss’, ‘gave me the bill instead of my male friend’, ‘looked at me a bit funny’, ‘called me son’, ‘didn’t hold the door open for me/punch my bum/grope my tits/make a pass/ask to go out with me/accept my offer of a date’ or ‘hey weee thinking that I wasn’t a woman’.

God it must be exhausting .

1 in 3 have been discriminated against at a cafe, bar or restaurant

Also this, is useless. What is discrimination in this context? Given some trans people (Travis) think its discrimination to ask them to use the male changing room rather than the female one..well..I expect some of the narcissists also think its discrimination for them to have to queue, rather than being served immediately like the royalty they are.

If anybody actually believes that 1 in 8 transgender people have been physically attacked by a work colleague or by a customer in a bar/shop/whatever where they are working, then they are stupid beyond belief.

Indeed. Its just absolute bullshit, reghurgitated all over, they are proven false again and again but still spread. Ridiculous.

Paris can fuck off.

Paris only passes in stills.

I used to think this but I think Paris may have had some facial feminization surgery or something as she was on big brothers bit on the side a few weeks back and passed on film

These are two tweets I saw yesterday and they perfectly explain why I don't believe a single survey that asks for the responses of trans people. They. Just. Fucking. Lie.

This.

They lie about everything, and they don't care about being caught out. It's disconcerting to deal with people who place no value on the truth.

I know!!!

Ive discovered that i really struggle with the truth thing

I tend to take things at face value a bit but the outright lies that some people come out with on here!!!

Any violence is to much but compare the 1 in 8 trans people assaulted at work with the levels for NHS workers

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38917156

70,000 in 2015-2016. Most have been assaulted. Speaking to HCPs in my own family, one was punched twice last year, another was threatened with scissors. And that's just the big stuff, verbal abuse and threats are routine.

They'll be alone and unsupported because a few narcissistic misogynists in bras and lipstick will have successfully alienated their once natural allies. Women.

Completely agree.

What's noticeable about all the people Lees describes assaulting and insulting him?

All men.

Not feminists, not women. Not gender-critical radical feminists.

Men.

Fighting the wrong people.

^^ This

The fact is, men have always been the natural enemies of Transwomen.

When all this dies down (and it will - eventually) and all the right on lefty brocialists have moved on to something more fashionable, they'll be alone.

They'll be alone and unsupported because a few narcissistic misogynists in bras and lipstick will have successfully alienated their once natural allies. Women.

Paris only passes in stills.

This article was written because of the righteous backlash Paris is getting due to their “being catcalled is totes the best and being used as a spitroast is the bestest ever, kids” pieces. I wonder how many of the 1 in 8 were in “sex work”? Because even then, that’s still lower than the stats for prostituted women so...

The high proportion of transgender-identifying males who have been attacked or abused because they identify as women, shows that the propoportion of transgender-identifying males who do not "pass as a woman" is also high. (If they "passed as a woman", they would not be abused for their gender identity because everyone would assume that the person was a non-transgender women).

Also I can't quite put my finger on it, but Paris seems to have this slight air of superiority over other trans people about them because (due to their facial surgery) they do pass pretty well as a woman. Aside from the 'yay, Vogue accepted me as a real woman because I do actually look quite like an attractive woman, I'm in the club and there is nothing you TERFs can do about it', they also write in a slightly patronising way about those who don't 'pass'. Like they are some kind of higher level trans person who can speak for both trans people AND women.

I don't know, maybe they genuinely don't mean to, but it does come across like that.

Don’t forget that saying ‘Mr Smith’ or ‘Dave’ instead of ‘Miss Desiree D’Light’ (never Jane Smith, eh?) is viewed as worse than murder/rape.

''Of those trans people lucky enough to have a job, one in eight have been physically attacked by a colleague or customer within the past year. Drink after work? Maybe next time, eh.''

Equating not going for a drink with actual violence is so male privilege I cant even.
Single parents cant go for a drink after work. Not even to placate you. Child minders just dont work like that.

1 in 8 have been attacked in the last year by a colleague or customer

If anybody actually believes that 1 in 8 transgender people have been physically attacked by a work colleague or by a customer in a bar/shop/whatever where they are working, then they are stupid beyond belief.

If there had, we would have had Penis News posting twenty articles a day and everyone else at least reporting the court cases that ensued.

These people are liars and fantasists. It's all bollocks.

(And yes, I know our default is to believe victims. Sorry, though, I just don't believe this survey.)

But hey, we’re not ‘special’.

But notice how people sit up and take notice when it starts affecting men. Even though they are men in dresses.

1 in 8? 1 in 3? I mean sure, any violence is too much but seriously? This is an epidemic?

100% of women will have been cat called, groped, discriminated against, raped, assaulted, been a victim of domestic violence or been frightened to walk to school. That is the reality of female existence. One or other (or many, or all) happens to all of us.

'I therefore demand all of the things all of the time. Any refusal to comply with my wishes is, like, ACTUAL violence xxx'

Decided to start 'identifying as a woman' and then got a bit of a shock to find out that it's not all mascara and glitter and fabulousness? To paraphrase another poster upthread, boo-fucking-hoo! Assholes

But they are still in that ‘in love with’ phase of being female. It’s like when you have your first baby - and it is it really the first and only baby ever born on earth. Wow. You see things more clearly, more personally, better than everyone else could ever...

What is it with people who’ve been socialised as Male and their inability to understand women fear men all the time, consciously and unconsciously.

If they spent less time telling biological women to shut up and more time dealing with Male violence and privilege we’d all be better off.

So catcalling and bum pinching is divine but being beaten up, threatened, menaces etc (same coin) is A Very Bad Thing? So it’s ok if you are treated like and ikkle wee sexy plaything but not as a plain old piece of meat?

Not a brain cell working there...

It sickens me to my core that this prick is being permitted to speak on the behalf of women and I bet the same wankers that are supporting him are also congratulating women that are brave enough to speak out against the abuse in Hollywood. I can guarantee some of the handmaidens that are supporting this creep are even putting #metoo on their Facebook, not even making the connection. It’s all so bloody depressing.

I’m just delighted that there are so many women lighting candles in the darkness known as the TRA.

Those stats are from the latest Stonewall report. Their methodology is so flawed as to pretty much render any "results" meaningless

Trans-identified men still have male bodies and they don't fear other men in the same way that women fear men. That's why Paris was able to write that article mocking women for fearing street harassment. When it comes to violence and the threat of such, male-on-male power dynamics are never equivalent to male-on-female ones, regardless of gender presentation.

What's noticeable about all the people Lees describes assaulting and insulting him?

All men.

Not feminists, not women. Not gender-critical radical feminists.

Men.

Fighting the wrong people.