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ThreeWeeBirds

I've also read that before. That the youngsters in the community are genuinely feeling scared, as though we are the enemy, hellbent on their destruction.

The trans rhetoric and the whipping up of negativity has gone a long way to promote that, I think.

The way some TRAs are claiming TERFs plan genocide, actually pinpointing the stages that lead to genocide and saying how close we are to it.

I like PERF too. Here’s to all us PERFect TERFs.

Ha! I like "Telling Everyone Real Facts"

I couldn't care less. It means less than nothing to me, no power.

Addressing the book "Chavs" though. Have you read it? It's about the demonisation of the poor. He's not using it in a derogatory way. Only in so much that he is describing how it is used to dismiss and vilify poor people.

Can the two excellent acronyms be mixed as a glorious play on 'surf and turf'

TERF & PERF

On a tshirt, with the meanings added somehow.

Just reading some of their tweets about how we are jealous of their 'vagina's' because theirs don't smell.......

Mine also has 100% less chance of growing rogue hairballs and isn't in danger of healing shut so, you know, swings and roundabouts.

The contrast between "my life is a pit of misery and despair because nobody will shag me!" and "women are so jealous of my sexy body" is pretty funny. Denial and projection all wrapped up in one deeply embarrassing Twitter persona.

Depends on the likelihood that they're going to physically attack me. Female TRAs, meh, they'll eventually grow out of it and be embarrassed about the stupid things they believed in their youth. The male ones though, some of them are both violent and unhinged enough not to stop to think about consequences.

Just reading some of their tweets about how we are jealous of their 'vagina's' because theirs don't smell.......

Heh. I have heard that one before. I would much rather my nether regions smelt of vagina than smelt of colon tbh.

I have also been told by a TRA that men prefer transwomen as women who have given birth have gaping fannies (learn about female biology you fools) and saggy tits. That was a lovely conversation. Yes, of course straight men would prefer a transwomen

Used to sting a bit. My liberal self would argue in my head constantly about how bigoted I was. But now, TERF means as much to me as 'transphobe' does. Even 'bigot' doesn't bother me these days.

Terf to me turns into Telling Everyone Real Facts. I read that on here once and it stuck in my head

Guardian, thank you for this :

"Actually, the irony is that self-rightious little Owen writes a book about 'chavs' and yet he is happy to chuck 'TERF' around."

I work with teenagers who believe they’re trans; I was genuinely taken aback recently to hear a 16yr old girl talk about ‘terfs’ as ‘the biggest threat to us’ (ie trans community’) as ‘they have more credibility’ [as an enemy] than eg the religious far right. She was wholly convinced that there’s a gang of nasty witches gunning for her and her tribe fuelled by hatred, bigotry and stupidity. She doesn’t know my views, and would probably never speak to me again if she did. I’ve seen all of that TRA stuff on twitter before but it felt very different hearing it IRL from an intelligent young woman. To her terfs are a mix of: horse-faced bitter harridans from anti-suffragette cartoons; the worst kind of bigot; contemptuously old-fashioned pearl-clutching killjoy mothers who don’t understand the 21st century; and the fucking illuminati. It’s all so bloody detached from reality.

Oh I like PERF.

@GrumpyDullard you've got it there I'm a PERF!

@GrumpyDullard is doing well, but the essential truth of PERF wins for me.

I don't give a stuff about being called TERF. It's not accurate since radfem analysis includes TIFs. It's often used as a homophobic synonym for lesbian. It's directed at people who wouldn't know radical feminism if it got up and slapped them in the face. It really is the new witch, bitch or whatever misogynist slur you choose. It's just a pointless slur.

But it does get my goat to be called a bigot.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Woohoo Grumpy, it has spread far & wide.

Which is fair enough as it is excellent work!

I correct them and point out that I am actually a PERF. Penis Exclusionary Radical Feminist. There really hasn't been a good comeback to that yet.

grumpy

Hey! I came up with Tediously Explaining Reality to Fuckwits on this thread... www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2878725-TERF. I am SO proud! I have name-changed since then but may go back to this name so I can bask in the glory.

If someone called me that then it would be inaccurate. I am gender critical and I am a feminist. I don’t think I count as a rad fem though (although I respect a lot of what they have to say on many things). I also wouldn’t say I’m ‘trans exclusionary’ as I don’t think it’s that simple. I’d be happy to include genuine transsexual women in my feminism (for example, would be happy to walk alongside them on a march or similar) but wouldn’t ever centre them as demanded by TRAs. I’m also highly critical of the GRA, trans women in sport, issues around female only spaces etc.

I imagine all of that would get me called a TERF, but they would be wrong. I don’t think it would bother me particularly though, unless it was coming from someone I cared about.

I like it. I'd put that on a t-shirt @terryleather