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From stonewall report - 51% of transpeople are disabled

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Vicxy · 20/01/2018 16:47

Stonewall did not think this reponse worthy of being involved in the 'key findings' part for some odd reason, as its a huge discrepancy with the non-trans community.

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differenteverytime · 20/01/2018 17:10

ItsAll, I'd have thought it was down to something like that if the only person I knew with musculoskeletal/fatigue issues was the one (MTF) who takes hormones and has had surgery.

The others are one MTNB, two teenage FTM, one 40s FTM, none of whom have taken hormones. The one with no issues is 30s FTM, no hormones.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 20/01/2018 17:06

In every case it's a combination of musculoskeletal issues/chronic pain/chronic fatigue

I have read anecdotally that taking cross sex hormones can cause a lot of muscle pain. O don't know if that is an actual thing though.

With these sorts of numbers, someone should really be trying to find out though

EamonnWright · 20/01/2018 17:04

I don't believe a word Stonewall come out with anymore.

Has there been much fall away from the LGB community in regards to these groups?

differenteverytime · 20/01/2018 17:03

In the case of the people I know, only one of the five has had any hormonal/surgical intervention. The other four (I know them well) have not.

NotTerfNorCis · 20/01/2018 17:03

Isn't the trans/autism link caused by the fact that autistic people struggle to learn social roles, so experience 'gender confusion'?

differenteverytime · 20/01/2018 17:02

I honestly don't know about this one. I'm no statistician, am gender critical and have no knowledge of disability issues. All I know is that before I saw this statistic or any mention of the subject, I'd been wondering whether this was a thing.

Statistically, of course, it means nothing, but out of six trans-identifying people I know, five of them have life-limiting health conditions. In every case it's a combination of musculoskeletal issues/chronic pain/chronic fatigue.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 20/01/2018 17:01

I did see someone suggest that some conditions could be caused by hormone blockers / hormones / surgery gone wrong.

Stonewall really need to publish their full methodology and data though.

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Vicxy · 20/01/2018 17:00

Why would you assume autism? (Genuine question,not a feminism regular)

Because links between trans and Autism are pretty strong. Autistic people are much more likely to view the 'rules' of femininity and masculinity as absolute.

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Bluedoglead · 20/01/2018 17:00

Ok thanks I didn’t know that

nauticant · 20/01/2018 17:00

My first thoughts were autism and mental illness. But without explanatory notes who can say?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 20/01/2018 16:58

Autism is very over represented in the trans population.

Bluedoglead · 20/01/2018 16:58

The trans person I know who is disabled has an autoimmune disease, not autism. Why would you assume autism? (Genuine question,not a feminism regular)

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 20/01/2018 16:57

Stonewall did not publish the questions asked so it is impossible to know how they defined it.

doctorcuntybollocks · 20/01/2018 16:56

Are they all disabled or are some of them transabled?

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Vicxy · 20/01/2018 16:56

Not saying all of the disabled respondents have Autism mind, but its definitely something worth thinking about.

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Vicxy · 20/01/2018 16:55

I genuinely am wondering if Stonewall ignored this because there are already links between autism and trans? And they did not wish to make this any worse? But its something that simply HAS to be explored. If we are medicating people who simply have autism and cutting off their healthy body parts simply as they see the world in a different way to the rest of us..well..

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 20/01/2018 16:52

I find this statistic astonishing, given that the population as a whole is 18%ish

I find it even more remarkable that Stonewall choose not to comment on this:

Are disabled trans people discriminated against because they are disabled or because they are trans

Does the huge over representation suggest that

  • their recruitment of subjects was shit?
  • that disability "causes" people to ID as trans?
  • That transition causes disability?

So many questions, and Stonewall don't even comment let alone do some research.

The whole study is deeply flawed, but this really stood out to me too.

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Vicxy · 20/01/2018 16:50

From the key findings though, I think this one is totally useless

More than a third of trans students (36 per cent) in higher education have experienced negative comments or behaviour from staff in the last year.

What negative comments? Was it transphobic comments? Or was it telling them to be quiet while the teacher is talking, or telling them that they failed an exam? Though the letter 2 would likely count as transphobia to some Hmm

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Vicxy · 20/01/2018 16:48

Posted before I finished, again. Sick of this

www.stonewall.org.uk/comeoutforLGBT/lgbt-britain-trans-report

The stat about disability is on the pdf version, as stonewall did not find it noteworthy enough to put on this page.

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