Official Labour statement on AWS

Not a labour member but did vote for them at the last election so I might have got the following muddled:

Do the rules actually require the women’s officer to be a woman? I know it said that they must in that job description but looking at the rules that I found online (skwawkbox.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/rule-book-2017-labour.pdf) Chapter 7, Clause VIII, it says:

The Executive Officers of this CLP shall be; chair, vice-chair, vice-chair/ membership, secretary, treasurer, women’s officer. At least three of these officers shall be women. This CLP may, with the approval of the NEC add other Executive Officer posts drawn from amongst its Coordinator roles subject to the gender quota being amended appropriately.

So I think you could have a male women’s officer as long as enough of the other officer roles are held by women. Have I understood this right?

Men who don't have a Gender Recognition Certificate are (somehow) able to get their passports changed to say 'Female'.

Oops my mistake it was originally on Facebook. Anyway it's gone now

The tweet has been pulled "awaiting formal clarification from the party".
Maybe not such good news after all
mobile.twitter.com/maddiemantis/status/954037469158273025

It probably seemed like a small thing when the various agencies changed forms to comply with the interpretation of law. You may be required to either be a gender or declare yourself enby (non binary).
I do not know how many genders they think people believe in.

Can you refuse to give a gender bewilderness? Because I refuse to define as the gender woman, just the sex. I am going to stand firm in this on all forms going forward.

Someone mentioned a few weeks ago on another thread that the new passports say gender, not sex.
I am furious over this devious political transition from material reality to a belief system. This will not end well.

The Tories slipped it in to the Act without a mandate. It needs challenging, IMO.

Agreed 100%

Totally up for protections for gender non-conforming people though.

So I see even Jolyon has allowed himself to be bullied into back pedalling.

I think I need to leave Twitter before I explode with rage/disappointment.

So, all transwomen are not women then.

If a certificate is needed to present yourself as a woman, and who would be the arbiter of this?, then how is this going to pan out?

It is not just that Gender reassignment is a protected characteristic, but it is that working towards Gender reassignment is included, and that has no definition or time or anything. We could all be working towards gender reassignment. It is this that the Equalities Trainers from the 'charity sector' have been exploiting.

Oh dear.

The Tories slipped it in to the Act without a mandate. It needs removing, as it breaks the Equality Act.

I see someone on the Jolyon thread referring to self ID in the Utopia Ireland not bringing the roof down - but I am sure I read on here that there are laws providing for privacy and embarrassment, and that there are no transwomen in Irish prisons?

I thought the guidance on the Equalities act provided for all female spaces without transsexual women, as to include them would make be discrimination against other male people?

The Tories slipped it in to the Act without a mandate. It needs challenging, IMO.

The Tories slipped it in to the Act without a mandate. It needs challenging, IMO.

To me it is capitulation. I don't care if a male has a GRC. They are not a woman.

Why should someone be able to 'choose' to legally force the world into their delusion that they have magically changed sex? At the expense of women?

I find it creepy the way everyone is treading on bullshit eggshells again because 'gender reassignment' is a protected characteristic. How the did that happen?

Jolyon is parroting the 'transwomen are women' line unfortunately.

Made me laugh too!

Once we have had that clarification from the party, everyone who has donated to the crowdfunded gets a refund. Then ppl can individually decide if they want to put it towards something else.

Followed by

God knows I'm pretty honest and trustworthy in general. But I got £16,000 in my bank account and the powder on the Chamonix slopes is the best in a decade. 😎 Once we get clarification from Labour on women's officer, delegate, cllr etc reserved places you get your money back. ;-)

Lily Madigan's election to Women's Officer is not related to AWS.

1. AWS relates to prospective parliamentary candidates only and are permitted on the basis of EA 2010 section 104. So Labour can't lawfully have self-ID for shortlists for electoral candidates.

2. Whether or not Labour can have self-ID for its womens officers, who aren't elected representatives (as in democratic UK elections, not elections within Labour) is a different issue.

3. In Labour rules, to stand for the main CLP women's officer position you must be a woman. There is an internal Labour argument to have whether this means woman/GRC-holding TIM or means self-identifying woman.

4. It probably doesn't mean self-identifying since the Young Labour rules specifically state self-identifying and this is different to the main rules.

5. If the Labour Party decides to pursue self-ID as the basis for all dedicated women's posts and delegate places where it is currently lawful for them to do so, this is the point at which I think I will have to leave the party.

I read the one comment where someone said that the language used suggested that transwomen are not female, which is a lie used to justify violence.

Muppets. Honestly.

If this is the case for AWS, surely it must be the case across the board? I guess Labour could just change the job description to remove the 'this position must be held by a woman' part in the womans officer spec.

I do think that they have taken legal advise and been told that they will lose. Hence this statement. I wonder if they were thinking it would all go away when they released this though? No, theres still a bit further to go yet.

Personally I still do not think that transwomen with a GRC should be on AWS as they are still not female. But as this challenge was about the utterly ridiculous 'self-ID' I get that this is a total win.