Official Labour statement on AWS

catgirl1076

That's really interesting catgirl.
I studied an element of business law including contract law where the interpretation of words was a huge element of contractual rights.
Then you have implied conditions and express conditions, implies conditions that were not proven "beyond reasonable doubt" were not enforceable under contract...
So "must be a woman" could imply Transwoman. But is this beyond reasonable doubt? Who judges??

I agree definition of "woman" is important but if "woman" also implies "Transwoman" beyond reasonable doubt, then... pfft.

Men prefer to deal with men.
Men know transwomen are men.
Places have been reserved for women, men do not like this, not at all.
This solves their problems.

Can I just say HermoineWeasley, I'm not all that supportive of a Labour supporter who backs capital punishment either.

"Trans women are women. And they need the safety of women only spaces even more than cis women."

Well this is no surprise is it.

Still heading down the path I mentioned on here must be couple years ago. We end up with new definitions:

Men (everyone knows who they are)
Women (who used to be men)
Non people

The above statement says that trans women should have priority access to anything currently reserved for women. And it's OK if women (old style cunty women) don't have any spaces left for them. So things like the AWS trans women (self identified) should be prioritised over women. This was always the logical end-point. And supported broadly by both left and right as misogyny is not a characteristic reserved for any particular political viewpoint.

Maugham has backtracked?

OMFG that is bad news.

Yes I think getting this into court would be excellent for a - taking this mainstream and b - I am pretty sure one of the first things the courts would seek to ascertain is the definition of a woman.

thehairthrbod couldn’t agree more, and it’s extraordinary that the party should be so relaxed about losing the support of the women who do all the fucking work.

Just shows their true colours. I think every woman who’s a member should stop doing anything for the party right away - it will grind to a halt.

Is it not a good thing that they’ve back-pedalled? In that the matter will be challenged in court and there will be a public record stating that transwomen are not women but men? And hopefully more of the public will be peak-transed as this will come to their attention?

From a twitter link above Anne Ruzylo's but SHE DID NOT TWEET THIS.

Trans women are women. And they need the safety of women only spaces even more than cis women.

Do you know what really boils my piss the most about this? People like Jennifer James, Anne Ruzylo and probably many of the other woman on that Gofundme list of signatories have worked tirelessly for the a Labour Party over the years. They aren't there just to virtue signal and give themselves a warm glow like so many other 'lefties'. They have put in the graft, probably fairly boring and unrewarding at times graft, that is involved in grass roots politics. Lily Fucking Madigan has been around for 5 minutes and evidently is more interested in promoting themselves than they are about getting into the nitty gritty of Labour politics.

The Labour Party owe these women so much - they are the ones who keep it all going and make it all work at ground level; the vast majority of people really only see and think about politics at Westminster level.

And yet now there are calls from people who aren't willing to actually get their hands dirty that 'they must go' and that there is no place for them in the Labour Party. All because they want to protect women's rights.

Fuck. That. Shit.

Yeah it's more what catgirl linked but I was half right about the emoji, check out those hearts. Nothing says 'I am an important woman engaged in important political business (but I am cute and loveable too right?)' like a little heart to sign off.

Sorry this twitter.com/sargesalute/status/954054269824651266 should take you to the right quote

Yeah they have replaced their 'you win' statement with a picture of Ada Wells forcibly transing a screaming four year old with the caption 'You go girl' and a lipstick emoji.

Well, not quite, but sorta.

Cocks.

Here you go twitter.com/sargesalute?lang=en

Looks like there's more fight to go

I will not be happy either Battleax

If Labour try to brush this under the carpet, there will be an almighty backlash.

catgirl1976 What have you seen?

Its crazy that the Womens Officer can be a biological man. Trans people can apply for any other position.

Hang fire everyone - there seems to be some back pedalling now from Labour....

It's something but... I've had it tbh. They are not women. Not as I or actually anyone alive on the planet in 2018 understands the word 'women'.

So no. I don't want someone who spent the last 40 years - and in just about all cases especially that crucial teenage period where you realise how fucking impotent you are against men and boys - enjoying male privilege, representing me. Or digging around in my fanjo without my informed consent, or trying on a dress next door.

Enough.

The girlinthefireplace I haven't logged in to Twitter for two months, because the rage it causes me is bad for my health.

In a way I feel I should be on there fighting the good fight, but I have to remind myself that it's going to make me ill and stay off.

Thank you for the clarification Irk.

Speedy85 No thats not correct, someone has rewritten it.
Labour Party rules specify the Womens Officer must be a woman.

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''Every year the local constituency Labour Party elects ‘officers’ to carry out the organisational
and campaigning priorities of the party. There are eight key posts that must be filled - chair, deputy chair, secretary, treasurer, vice-chair (membership) and vice-chair (policy), women’s officer and youth officer - and at least four of these must be women. The women’s officer must be a woman.''

the new passports say gender not sex?

at this stage of the game that is deliberate, and concerning

I will need to get F taken off mine then I suppose, and my DH will have M taken off his, and the DDs too

Gender reassignment is a protected characteristic BUT it is in terms of protection against employment discrimination etc. It does not create the legal fiction a GRC does of allowing one to be classed as a woman. Even then sex remains a protected characteristic and trans people can be excluded from single sex spaces etc if proportional grounds.