Official Labour statement on AWS

Although actually that might be a pisstaker

Who knows anymore

Jo Maugham has been fired from (I assume a voluntary) position as head of legal for a brexit campaign group.

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Jolyon I am the Head of The #FollowBackProEurope Movement and after this public embarrassment I'm saddened to announce we've made the difficult decision to ask you step down from your position as Head of Legal for Stopping Brexit. I hope you understand.

You can retract and apologise and pledge cash to support the people you've offended, but you're still out.

Fucking hell

Plenty of women have stuck to their guns in the face of far worse. But this issue doesn't REALLY matter to men much, that's the difference.

So, so disappointed by Jo Maugham. I guess it's very hard to stick to your guns when people are screaming you're transphobic and a bigot. It sounds like personal friends of his expressed dismay and maybe if they were women he respected, he didn't want to upset them.

Extra gutting that he wants to pass the funds on to Mermaids of all people.

Really not happy about the Lib Dem’s. Tim Farron is my MP and when I wrote to him he was incredibly cautious but seemed supportive. The problem of course is that everyone thinks Tim is against gay marriage (he’s not) so it wouldn’t be difficult for some twat to add transphobia to the list of Tim’s crimes

Not that it matters, because I'm your standard, egg-bearing woman, so not worth listening to

I suppose being ignored frees you from the obligation to participate in the process eventually.............hmmmmmm seen that somewhere.........

Alisder Calder McGregor is saying that the ‘group’ who are crowdfunding drove him to a mental breakdown in 2014 Odd and weird - some of them only got together to be added over the last week, never mind 2014 - he must be on another planet or a different life

Sigh, well that's that then. Absolutely no-one to vote for when I come back to the uk. Not that it matters, because I'm your standard, egg-bearing woman, so not worth listening to.

Wow so gutted at the QC’s 180 degree turn.

He was clearly bullied into a retraction.

I think it is how they get through all boys school - sort of appear to agree with the ones that are shouting, then pretend they were on the other side if that goes wrong, coz they 'didn't do it'. Avoidance of bullying and no principles.

Maybe he is both those things, but also a coward

Watch them all fall down, eh?

They all crumble.

I know Jo Maugham professionally. I’m disappointed in him. I thought he was a critical thinker and a feminist ally.

Nhs guidance re transgender here www.wpath.org/site_page.cfm?pk_association_webpage_menu=1351&pk_association_webpage=3926

We would then have to be living in a world in which someone told 'woman' would reasonably be thought to have acted properly if they assumed 'women and people with XY chromosomes and a dick' surely that's a stretch?!

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I'm not sure, I mean it was decades ago I read up on it but, something like "if one could reasonably expect express term A to include A+B" then the contractor would have committed no wrongdoing.
So "Woman" could be found to mean "Woman+Transwoman" when put to a test.
Worried but not hopeless!

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just5morepeas yes legally we do but the NHS, like the labour party, have slipped in self-ID in their guidance. Hence the woman who requested a female HCP to do her smear and was instead presented with a TW, and the woman on a locked female psychiatric ward who was traumatised by having to share with a TW.

'Guidance' is open to challenge where it interprets the law incorrectly.

Just - think legally we should but it's not always being implemented that way, at least there are examples in the press from when it hasn't. I'm thinking of the lady given a transwoman for a smear test and a lady in a psych ward with a transwoman.

" I vote we challenge the NHS on single sex wards and the right to a same sex HCP for intimate procedures"

I'm probably going to show my ignorance here, but don't we already have those rights?

This is brilliant news and I'm not too worried about the back-pedalling.

What appears to have happened is the equalities NEC have clarified the law, Wolfson posted her update and then a load of TAs did some whinging so she's taken it down again to await formal clarification from the party (aka pass the buck and make it the party's 'fault' not the NEC's fault)

I very much doubt the NEC decision will be reversed as the law appears to be clear and at this stage I don't give a shit if Labour feel the need to use the word 'regretably' in their clarification.

Well done everyone who has donated and shared this campaign

I look forward to clarification on women's officers, after which I vote we challenge the NHS on single sex wards and the right to a same sex HCP for intimate procedures.

The Lib Dems appear to be saying the same thing about their AWS on twitter: 'We are proud to say that our all women shortlists are open to ALL women.'

Pato wouldn’t it be on balance of probabilities as it’s not criminal? I’d imagine that there is a legal definition of woman and it wouldn’t include transwomen. It would have to come down to biology - there’s no other proof of sex.