Official Labour statement on AWS

It takes a certain kind of phoniness, to identify a need for women only train carriages, and in exactly the same breath, support a law that says any man can enter them.

If a politician like Jeremy Corbyn can hold both those opinions, the unworkable thinking behind it needs to be exposed.

I expect Labour are terrified of this whole thing tbh. They will lose a lot of support if they do what the transactivists want and expell gender critical women. But if they do the right thing, they will face the wrath of a bunch of angry male people.

But now I'm really confused. Why is it taking them so long to make a statement? I thought this was supposed to be really simple? Transwomen are women, right? So what's the hold up?

Yes, I think there may be some panicking behind the scenes over this. And a lot of arguing too. Still expecting the statement to be that transwomen with no GRC are fine to stand on AWS though. Always expect the worst then you won't be disappointed, and if the news is good its a bonus. Bit pessimistic but does me good.

Annoys the hell out of me when places ask for gender, with male and female options. Just ask for fucking sex, which is whats needed and whats imortant.

Ah, see, I think asking gender is ok on websites etc when it's all about your identity, feelings etc.

On a passport or on a medical form or school application, sex is relevant. It's relevant because it affects how you look and how you can be identified by the authorities, or how a medication may act within your body or how a heart attack presents

Even Mumsnet demands your 'gender' be male or female. I've tried before to have them change this to sex but to no avail.

My profile has gender:female. I can change it to gender:male but not gender: don'tbedaft. And not gender:AskMeMySexInsteadSoThatAdvertisersCanFlogMeTampons

If ever any website understood the implications of forcing a binary answer to a gender question, it's this one.

I think some people are now striking out the word gender and writing sex. I just told the youGov people this morning that I have no gender identity but I am a member of the female sex.

BewitchedBotheredandBewildered

Well what happens if you put demi-sexual? Or fluid?

I so wish people would. I know it's a time waster, but it would make them think about the stupid bloody question.

Just want to confirm what pp said.

I have DH's passport renewal form in front of me now.

It asks for Gender, with two possible choice boxes; Male and Female.

I thought there were something like 35 possible genders these days?!

But there will only ever be two sexes

No, thanks datun. For everything you're doing on here on this. You're definitely on the right side of history

I know. Sorry!

Thanks datun. Sorry I don't know why my phone hates that site but it does. I can see your screenshot fine. Unfortunately, given how bloody depressing it all is...

This is a screenshot of the statement by the CLP.

I'm not sure if you will be able to read it

Here

Funds now more than an amazing £17,000, well done all.

Unfortunately there are currently trans actvisists in CLPs who are organising to get the crowdfunder signatories, donors and supporters expelled from the Labour party. Please MAKE SURE TO attend upcoming CLP meetings and ensure debate stays open and free speech is retained.

This is a typical stalinist tactic being used by Labour trans activist men (not by trans ppl themselves by the way). In the absence of arguments, these men will sling mud at dissenters in a bid to threaten, silence, frighten and isolate us. Do not let them win.

We have a right to debate self-id in the party and attempts to stifle debate must be challenged. We have a right to believe and argue that men and women are classified by biology, not gender identity, and we have the right to form policy along these lines instead.

The picture below is of the latest trans activist CLP motion targetting gender critical women. This one is for Garston and Halewood CLP's meeting of next week and has been propsed by Jon Morris. The trans activists are organised and we must out-organise them to win this.

Incidentally the CLP chair for Garston and Halewood is Steve Walker or @skwawkbox as he is better known on twitter. We can confirm that @skwawkbox opposes all-women shortlists in the first place, so this motion comes as no surprise to us.

The NEC are due to announce the official Labour party position against self-identification on AWS next week. We predict that our legal position will be confirmed as CORRECT, possibly because self-id discriminates against men, ironically. If the party allows one man on an AWS it has to allow them all. We will update you as soon as we can.

Stay vigilant.

The Gender Critical Team

Can you try googling go fund me Jennifer James?

I can't see anything on gofundme on my phone for some reason. Can anyone c and p?

I thought putting up a statement then taking it down with a bad tempered 'transwomen are women so fuck you all' was a bit stupid. But they just look like twats who know they are wrong and can't admit it.

JC tweeting about transwomen yesterday too. But not about this obviously, just supportive noises about transpeople but when actual leadership is required he's off somewhere else doing something very important.

Here is the update.

www.gofundme.com/fighting-for-female-representatives?viewupdates=1&rcid=r01-151648014485-9fa18a9f3f84495a&utm_source=internal&utm_medium=email&utm_content=cta_button&utm_campaign=upd_n

I thought they had issued a statement? Something about internal and external positions in the party? I might be wrong though.

Trying to pretend self identification is already here is a stupid tactic.

By challenging, they are merely raising the issue. Highlighting the legality aspect and the problems of self ID.

Their own goals never cease.

Thanks datun.

But now I'm really confused. Why is it taking them so long to make a statement? I thought this was supposed to be really simple? Transwomen are women, right? So what's the hold up?

It's almost as though this is actually a lot more complicated than the TRAs are making out

Oh absolutely. It wasn't LM who I was referring to. Someone else down the feed said they weren't allowed to work at college. I was merely suggesting that might have been a little misleading if they were referring to an Oxbridge college with extensive bursary provision!

ThisIsAStory - I think there's a big difference between Oxbridge telling undergrads they can't get a job because of the compressed terms and high work load, and someone at Rochester saying that first year students might find it hard to juggle a job and their studies (which, I would bet, is what LM might have been told, not that there was a prohibition on working at all)

Well in fairness Oxbridge colleges won't let you work (at least if they find out) because it jeopardised the workload, so it may have been true.

But the flip side is that there are a bunch of bursary funds available at university level and from various colleges, and you can apply to some even if you're a member of a different college. If you qualify there are automatic payouts from some, no merit involved (used to be maintenance based, not sure what the criteria are now). So there was a pretty justifiable case that prohibiting jobs wasn't undermining access.

This has potential to do Labour damage at such an opportune time for them too. They need to realise that everyone has a vote, not just those in groups that are loudest on Twitter.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets

According to the latest update on the go fund me page, the Labour Party are making a statement next week.

So when are the LP getting back to everyone over whether it's 'yeah ok then, just women on AWS' or 'no, in fact it's better if you have a dick'? I'd like to know