Official Labour statement on AWS

ADRIE!!! Sorry, that was the autocorrect!!

This is his tweet to her quoting her earlier tweet jeaux

Is that the boy with the glasses and checked shirt?

twitter.com/stellacreasy/status/955128269229215745

Stella Creasey has just retweeted Adrie Van Meer

This is after an afternoon of tweets on Hattie J's Bayeux tapestry
twitter.com/MadamBiro/status/954870062443323395

And a lot of debate. I think stella is a bit confused with all the info at the moment, but I am not sure she is going to sit down to a good read of all that she has been given, though

Stella doesn't find the bayeux tapestry mock up amusing and said so. Adrian agreed, then Stella retweeted that agreement.

Well

mobile.twitter.com/stellacreasy/status/955128269229215745

I hope she doesn't olennas but it seems odd she wouldn't. At the same time him and Lily Madigan are running that doxxing/bullying Facebook group.
I feel so powerless

I thought she was telling him off too (at least a bit of evenhandedness). He quoted her smackdown to the RadFems and said he'd send Momentum campaigning support in appreciation.

I'm trying to find it again to reread her reply.

I'm confused
Jack Monroe's lawyers are talking about legal action to disbar TIM from women only shortlists?

I'm blocked by Adrie what was the tweet about?

To me, someone who has undergone surgery and has a gender recognition certificate should be accepted as the new gender they wish to be. What I do not want is someone saying they identify, without having undergone surgery, as especially in places where changing of clothes takes place, this just opens the door to perverts.

Wait, what? Presumably Stella doesn't know who he is?

Stella Creasey has just retweeted Adrie Van Meer

There is no WAY I'm voting Labour with this going on.

Even Jack Monroe says she has two different lawyers looking into this and both have indicated that there could be a case for legal action

Has she now, I doubt that went down too well

Its obviously winnable. Thats been pretty clear from the start really. Its the reason TRAs are going into overdrive.

Hemlock "Surely that would be more inclusive too, then all the transmen, gender fluid and non binary can get a look in?"

well of course they don't want that....

If you turn any TIMs legally into female with self id, how are you ever going to know if there is proportionate (or disproportionate) representation anyway of trans anyway? Or female?

If they truly believe that trans people aren't getting proportionate representation, then why aren't there campaigns for All Trans Shortlists instead? Surely that would be more inclusive too, then all the transmen, gender fluid and non binary can get a look in?

I wonder what it is about TIM's that mean they seem to be centred in this over other trans groups?

I think they will quietly shift to asking for birth certs for AWS as part of an id check (which begs the question why they aren't they doing this in the first place ) which will go as far as they absolutely have to so as not to be legally challenged, so maybe not down to constituency committee level. Then they will pretend none of this ever happened, and continue to say TW are W in public.

Yes, exactly. This hasn't come from nowhere.

The first time that a man pitched up and asked about taking up a space intended for women then someone should have said "No, these are for women-only. Feel free to apply for one of the thousands of positions that are open to both sexes".

What is frustrating me is that women have been saying this increasingly over the past 5 years or so. If Labour (and the other parties) had actually listened and engaged rather than writing our concerns off as bigoted/"purported feminists" they could have avoided this total mess.

I think there is great panicking behind the scenes. The clarification that came last week from Rhea Wolfson from Labour NEC was that men need a GRC to be considered for AWS.

And then that was withdrawn awaiting "clarification", presumably after Rhea Wolfson was contacted multiple times by men accusing her of transphobia.

So, if Labour stick to their original guns (and the law as it stands), then these men need a GRC. That means that any man currently on an AWS who does not have a GRC needs to get off it. And we'd need clarification on women's officers and the Jo Cox Leadership in Women programme, both of which specify that you have to be a woman.

Switch to self-ID and Labour get a legal challenge. The Equality Act 2010 specifically provides provision for AWS which can be used until 2030. Even Jack Monroe says she has two different lawyers looking into this and both have indicated that there could be a case for legal action. A legal challenge will damage the party whatever happens. Even if Labour do switch to self-ID, lose the legal challenge and then have to kick out the blokes, this will be very damaging to them. If they actually win the legal challenge, the publicity will turn off a large number of female voters.

And they'll never be able to bring in self-ID in the future because the stupid bastards will never get into power. And nor should they if they drag this ridiculous affair out any further. It hardly gives you confidence that they can actually run a country, does it?

It seems to me to just be a variation on the usual approach. 1) pretend you think it matters that women are having a shit time 2) institute measures to improve their experience (e.g., legislate against rape) 3) make sure the teeth are drawn from the measures so men remain unconstrained (e.g., fail to prosecute rape).

I don't know why they bother really, the message is pretty clear either way.

I think maybe he just wants women to be someone else’s problem

Indiscriminate virtue signalling is what it is.