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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans vs other protected characteristics

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Rudest75 · 17/01/2018 11:29

As somebody who has always been an advocate of both women's rights and LGBT rights I'm struggling to get my head around the recent trans debate. It seems to be an issue where you can't really support both sides, yet it's so less clear to me than is the case between most opposing ideologies like conservative vs liberal, nationalist vs multiculturalist, etc.

A common question around the bathroom debate seems to be "what rights exactly are trans people being denied?" When I try and apply this question to other protected characteristics I'm even more confused!

If we take the statement "trans people shouldn't be allowed in women's spaces because of a minority of dangerous men" how does this differ from the following examples?

"Muslims shouldn't be allowed in Christian spaces because of a small minority of terrorists/suicide bombers."

"Immigrants shouldn't be allowed in native spaces due to a small minority of rapists."

"Black people shouldn't be allowed in white spaces due to a small minority of gang members/Bloods/Crips."

I can't get my head around it!

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IrkThePurist · 17/01/2018 11:38

The argument is not "trans people shouldn't be allowed in women's spaces because of a minority of dangerous men".

the argument is we cant tell who is genuine trans and who is not until it is too late, and it is unreasonable to demand we take that risk.
Women should not be put in the position of having to challenge potentially dangerous men in their spaces, not knowing if they are a predator, gender fluid or trans.

It is up to trans people to fight for a third, gender neutral space and services. that way, people who feel comfortable can voluntarily join them there.,

And women who's culture or race forbid them from sharing space with biological men wont be forced to stay at home.