The GRA in Ireland

This is an incredibly useful thread! I always took it as a given that the situation in Ireland mirrored that of the U.K, but it seems that although transwomen can self-ID more easily over there, in practice it doesn't actually enable them to access many single-sex spaces? That's very interesting, and certainly puts a rather different light on self-ID that the TA like to claim. Fascinating, thank you!

Plus men train for the priesthood, women just join.

To a certain extent gender and sex are used interchangeably in it but you can be damn sure that priest training colleges won't be admitting women identifying as men.

Will this apply to convents where nuns, women, are?

As far as I can see the university guidelines are all about making some toilets gender neutral (converting disabled and single cubicle toilets etc). But it's becoming more a "thing" in universities so I can see it becoming more militant and therefore more of a problem.

The main advice and support group TENI have sadly drunk the Kool-Aid and there are trans awareness weeks cropping up in schools, but the main attitude of anyone I've spoken to irl is "ffs, don't be silly".

I'm waiting for the next great hope in Irish sport being pipped to an Olympic medal by a transwoman - the shit'll hit the fan then.

Drat. Formatting fail. Anything in between ^^ is taken from the document.

This document is useful
www.ihrec.ie/download/pdf/ihrec_equal_status_rights_explained.pdf

^Gender
You can be treated differently in relation to cosmetic services that involve
physical contact – for instance, hairdressing, body waxing, and so on.
You can also be treated differently if there is a risk that you could be
embarrassed because of a lack of privacy.
Example
A woman might feel embarrassed having a body massage, a body
wax, or hair laser removal by a man, and can request a female
member of staff to do it instead.^

^Accommodation exemptions
Gender
In relation to shared accommodation the Acts allow people to be treated
differently in relation to personal privacy where lack of privacy might
cause embarrassment^

^Educational establishments - exemptions
Gender
Single sex schools are allowed. Primary and secondary schools may be
boys only or girls only.
Religion and Gender
Institutions providing religious training to ministers of a particular religion
may admit students of only one gender or religious belief.^

To a certain extent gender and sex are used interchangeably in it but you can be damn sure that priest training colleges won't be admitting women identifying as men.

My answer to people who speak about Ireland and Argentina as a shining example of self ID is that their women's rights are bloody shocking.

exemptions based on privacy and embarrassment.

That's interesting. How does that translate to real life situations?

The equality laws are different too. Ireland's has different characteristics from the UK and exemptions based on privacy and embarrassment.

I'm Irish and wasn't even aware it had become law here until I started reading up on trans issues having read about it here. It very much came in under the radar but as Datun said we don't seem to have the same level of millitancy here so it's not as big an issue (yet, anyway).

We've had quite a few Irish posters on here talking about it.

Firstly, there are a minuscule number of transwomen in Ireland and they don't have the same transactivist militancy that we have here.

Secondly, the prison situation doesn't arise as they are not allowed to be transferred to a female prison, no matter what.

Lastly, what a lot of them have said is that, apparently, gender roles are more entrenched there, so men making a point of accessing women's spaces isn't tolerated, culturally.

As far as I know, there hasn't yet been any data collected about the impact of self ID. But that is changing.