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Is it legal for a man to use the women's toilet in England? Scotland?

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SerciteEland · 15/01/2018 17:31

If not, can someone please point me to where I can find text of the law regulating this? I've tried searching here to no avail: www.legislation.gov.uk/search

I was always under the impression that it WAS illegal for a man to enter the women's room but now I'm not so sure and it seems a rather hard thing to search for.

I assume it must be since apparently a reading of the 2010 Equality Act has been invoked to allow transgender women to use the women's room. www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-36395646

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/19

But I can't seem to find the original law prohibiting men from being in the ladies'.

Further, I've only really started to pay attention to the trans issue within the last few years (first as an ally from 2011-2014 and thereafter becoming progressively more and more gender critical after hitting peak trans in 2014/15) and I somehow entirely missed that it's now apparently legal for trans women to be in the women's bathrooms. Does anyone have links to good information on how this happened (focused on the UK)? And have there been any documented abuses of it so far?

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SheWhoMustBeSilent · 25/08/2019 10:29

The Equality Act 2010, in Schedule 3, section 27 subsection 6 says this:

(6) The condition is that—

(a) the service is provided for, or is likely to be used by, two or more persons at the same time, and

(b) the circumstances are such that a person of one sex might reasonably object to the presence of a person of the opposite sex.

So, there is provision for women, when using a toilet space that is for more than one person of the female sex at a time can object to any man using that same space and have him removed.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/schedule/3/part/7/crossheading/singlesex-services

Datun · 25/08/2019 10:27

Just letting you all know too that I'm putting this forum on display in the pub I own to show what vile pond life stay at home parents are.

I feel I ought to point out that telling your (fictitious) pub clientele, who happen to be parents, that they are vile pondlife may effect your (imaginary) income.

Iminthewrongstory · 25/08/2019 10:19

This thread has taken an unexpected and hilarious turn.

sackrifice · 25/08/2019 10:17

Not that i think they have a pub in the first place.

A laminator, yes. Pub, not a chance.

sackrifice · 25/08/2019 10:16

I suppose having my words displayed in a pub is the closest I’ll ever come to being in a pub. You know, being a woman and that

If they make the font big enough you could perhaps read it from the door?

GCAcademic · 25/08/2019 10:13

I suppose having my words displayed in a pub is the closest I’ll ever come to being in a pub. You know, being a woman and that.

Birdsfoottrefoil · 25/08/2019 10:12

Just letting you all know too that I'm putting this forum on display in the pub I own

Good. Could you particularly highlight the post that gives the correct information about the Equality Act : that in order not to discriminate agains transwo men they must be treated the same as other men and use the toilets appropriate to their sex - the men’s.

NotBadConsidering · 25/08/2019 10:10

🤣🤣 laminated!

sackrifice · 25/08/2019 10:07

If it ain't LAMINATED and in COMIC SANS I ain't interested.

NotBadConsidering · 25/08/2019 10:05

How will it be displayed? Power point? Printed? Either way can you make sure everyone can see any read this:

GOOGLE KATIE DOLATOWSKI IF YOU DON’T THINK WOMEN HAVE ANYTHING TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT.

Feel free to enlarge the font etc.

sackrifice · 25/08/2019 10:05

Just letting you all know too that I'm putting this forum on display in the pub I own to show what vile pond life stay at home parents are.

Genuinely cracked me up this. Oh my days.

TurboTeddy · 25/08/2019 10:03

Just letting you all know too that I'm putting this forum on display in the pub I own

At just after 9am on a Sunday morning? That's either one hell of a lock in OR it's a Wetherspoons.

Datun · 25/08/2019 09:59

Because kids are never taken to restaurants, and certainly never go to sporting facilities. That's the last place you take a child.

Or, in fact any other place that has public toilets!

I think that poster is a trolling teen.

GCAcademic · 25/08/2019 09:53

Ooh, I missed the bit where we must all be stay at home parents. I suppose that not being able to have kids and work goes hand in hand with not being able to visit pubs, restaurants and sporting facilities, lol!

Lamahaha · 25/08/2019 09:37

ooops. posted too soon, I totally missed page 2 and qgd's now deleted posts. Missed all the fun!

Grimbles · 25/08/2019 09:33

Just letting you all know too that I'm putting this forum on display in the pub I own to show what vile pond life stay at home parents are.

Ooooooooh...... tremble 😱

Lamahaha · 25/08/2019 09:32

Males and females use your bathroom at home.

Do people at home allow random strangers to walk in off the street and use their toilets? Certainly not in my home.

You can do so in yours, if you care to, @Qgd2019. But not in mine.
I don't want you in my toilet, and I don't want you in women's loos. Most women don't. Go to the men's, or lobby for third spaces as women did for their own.

Joisanofthedales · 25/08/2019 09:31

gcacademic
Thank you that really made me belly laugh. Thank God I wasn't drinking my tea. It took away the nasty taste of qdc's posts.

Mamello · 25/08/2019 09:24

Darn it. Was going to take kids swimming and then pub lunch after a long week at work but apparently that's not an MNetty thing to do. I just can't get this womanning thing right.

Datun · 25/08/2019 09:19

I think, and I may be wrong, it's just a hunch, that the pub story is meant to prove that Qgd2019 is a stranger to the truth since they both own the pub but are also supervised there...

Still it would be useful to display this thread to as many people as possible.

GirlDownUnder · 25/08/2019 09:19

GCAcademic oooohh all this time I thought it was saggy tits that keep mums tied to the kitchen sink.

Every day’s a school day Brew

GCAcademic · 25/08/2019 09:15

Nope, never go to pubs, restaurant or sports facilities, ever. Once women have reproduced, you see, our vaginas emit blocking signals that stop us entering any place of adult recreation so that we can devote ourselves 100% to pursing our lips joylessly and ruining the adult fun of these who like to visit immoral websites.

GirlDownUnder · 25/08/2019 09:13

Hey Qgd2019 if you get another post deleted you’ll be banned.

Just saying.

I’d hate for there not to be a protector of the loos or whatevs.

I’m not sure what your pub story is meant to prove but I’m sure you’ll make an excellent Sherpa Smile

Joisanofthedales · 25/08/2019 09:12

QgdI
f we are so horrible then the best thing for you to do is take yourself off to a forum that appreciates laydees. Here we appreciate safe guarding children and women's rights which obviously isn't something you have an interest in. Why not go and look at one of those internet sites we don't want our children to look at. You know you want to. Sad

Qgd2019 · 25/08/2019 09:09

Just letting you all know too that I'm putting this forum on display in the pub I own to show what vile pond life stay at home parents are. Some of my staff are parents and they have no problems with me being around their kids or using the female toilets. Heck my supervisor even took me swimming with her kids. The pool has a mixed changing room. There are never any complaints. I'll bet most of you never even go to pubs restaurants or sports facilities.

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