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Wrong side of history

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LyraPotter · 15/01/2018 16:35

Here is something I know to be true: those campaigning against trans rights will fail. Your money will be raised and spent and wasted. Your legal challenges will not succeed. Your relentless attempts to do injustice will fail. You are on the wrong side of history. Your children will grow up knowing better than you. You cannot stop progress. Your efforts are in vain.

And every time I'm proven right - every time a court judgment goes against you and every time a law protecting trans men and women is passed and every time equality is further enshrined in the laws of this country I am going to return to this thread for the pure and petty purpose of telling you I TOLD YOU SO.

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ladyballs · 15/01/2018 22:39

Ah Lyra, you little scamp.

EamonnWright · 15/01/2018 22:38

That's another thing PricklyBall.

If someone is accused of misgendering can they not say they are referring to people due to their sex? Or has gender overtaken sex?

overnightangel · 15/01/2018 22:38

I may be generalising but trans people seem to love making everything about themselves and being faux offended

thebewilderness · 15/01/2018 22:37

That is the tradition of women throughout history, innit? Two steps forward and men beat us back a step and tell us it was our own fault for not being nice enough to them.

PricklyBall · 15/01/2018 22:35

Yup, odious wee arsewipe sums him up nicely. (Yes, if you're still reading Lyra, m'dear, that was a deliberate piece of "correct gendering" on my part).

EamonnWright · 15/01/2018 22:33

Thank you PricklyBall.

Ada looks like a wee odious arsepiece doesn't he.

PricklyBall · 15/01/2018 22:25

Eamonn I'm guessing you thought Magdalen was Scottish because you might have heard she's at Edinburgh University. She got chucked out of the Lesbian society by Ada Wells for being "transphobic". (Ada Wells is a charmer, but that would be a whole long essay - eventually got suspended from the Students' Union for being anti-semitic, I think).

EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans · 15/01/2018 22:23

You know what I've been thinking... all of us who are on Twitter should be giving L Madigan some love & appreciation.

Yes I know, but look at it this way. If LM hadn't done such a good job of peak transing women, would 795 of us have raised £13,640 in 3 days?

Cheers Madigan!

PricklyBall · 15/01/2018 22:18

@Icantreachthepretzels - fellow fanfic writer here! On a one-woman quest to write stuff with interesting women doing interesting things (including lots of interesting older women, something my readers quite often compliment me on!) And to show that vanilla het can be interesting, so long as it's cordon-bleu, Michelin starred vanilla.

Anyway, here follows a lengthy digression which will only be of interest to Pretzels, so everyone else can ignore it!

"As an avid fanfiction writer I must protest! It is a healthy and creative way to...mumble mumble..something something - OK I'm a loser.
I bet my fanfic has a lot less slashwrittenforhet'stittilation/genderbending/kink/Dom/Sub/ageplay/porn without plot in it that Mx Potter's does though.

some very very disturbing things out there in the world of fanfic. I've never considered before that it was being written by burly AGPs. I always assumed it was the disturbing psyches of teenage girls with horrific internalised misogyny. That's given me food for thought ..."

Now that's an interesting thought. I know some out-n-proud male fanfic writers (in fact, quite good online friends with at least one) but they just write interesting witty stuff. But now you come to mention it, some of the stuff I'd put down (in a rather despairing mood) to young women having their sexuality entirely shaped by their boyfriends' porn habits could well in fact be being written by seedy men in mackintoshes (possibly pink mackintoshes).

EamonnWright · 15/01/2018 22:17

Thank you very much.

Is there a reason I though she was Scottish Confused

ATeardropExplodes · 15/01/2018 22:13
PencilsInSpace · 15/01/2018 22:10

Oh Lyra why are you wasting your time with these horrible nasty TERFS? I bet most of them have saggy tits and don't even believe that sex work is a job like any other.

Why aren't you off campaigning for Travis's right to leap into a taxi if anybody laughs at him because he's gone out dressed as a sexualised toddler (again)?

You need to act swiftly and focus your energy, that campaign closes in a few days and hasn't yet met its target. It's very important to be on the right side of history!!!
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I am so incredibly heartened by the gofundme GrinFlowersStar

I think there is a sound legal challenge to this (and many other contexts where self-ID has been adopted without legal backing) but even if we lose, my money is not wasted. The campaign is shining a big spotlight on what's happening and every day more and more women are going 'hang the fuck on Hmm' and nobody seems to go the other way. Once you have admitted to yourself that the emperor wears no clothes it's impossible to imagine him dressed again.

ATeardropExplodes · 15/01/2018 22:06
ATeardropExplodes · 15/01/2018 22:03

He absolutely does nail it.

EamonnWright · 15/01/2018 22:02

Chappelle nails it. Why are we being forced to partake in someone else's delusion? If my mate called to my door in the morning for his lift to work and he told me he was a black Lesbian I would ring flat 10 at the Mater hospital to find out how we section him. Yet I'm supposed to buy this nonsense?

It's actually one of the main things for me. Am I supposed to forget my 16 years of learning and all that comes with it and believe a man can become a woman?

That's just lunacy.

ATeardropExplodes · 15/01/2018 21:57

this is a good one from Dave Chappelle

EamonnWright · 15/01/2018 21:55

Thank you troops I will have a look later Smile

If my mates knew I got excited about being retweeted by a Feminist I would never live it down lol.

EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans · 15/01/2018 21:53

I was retweeted by Magdalen Berns

Nice one! Yes. Her videos are great.

I was at a feminist event in Conway Hall a few years ago where Magdalen was a speaker. She had the whole room chanting "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A LESBIAN WITH A PENIS!!!!"

ATeardropExplodes · 15/01/2018 21:52

Yes Magdalen Berns videos are fab. Esp the 'lesbians dont have penises' one.

BelaLugosisShed · 15/01/2018 21:50

Lyra’s posts gave me more of a laugh than when Liam Madigan said he could get pregnant and a middle aged woman agreed with him.
Lyra is a sanctimonius, lying prick.

EamonnWright · 15/01/2018 21:50

I was retweeted by Magdalen Berns Smile

Have never watched any of her videos are they worth a watch?

Hidingtonothing · 15/01/2018 21:47

God I love this thread, you lot give me hope.

MrsDoylesTeaBags · 15/01/2018 21:44

@LyraPotter, thanks fot reminding me to donate

Mytholmroyd · 15/01/2018 21:43

LyraLyra Pantsonfire-a

Genius donation Grin

AbsintheFriends · 15/01/2018 21:41

(Now I feel bad for distracting from Simon's brilliant point with that observation)