Wrong side of history

Seriously, EVERYONE is Canadian!

Shania Twain is not American!

Just as the pedophiles tried to use the LGB organizations to promote their interests in the seventies so are the BDSM and Fetishists now using the Trans organizations of today.

Most of the trans people I know are quiet, unassuming and just get on with their lives. People doing the most shouting and threatening appear to have absolutely no skin in the fight at all, and just use it as an excuse to shout at women they don't like.

It's very depressing that woman can actively support her rights being trashed

That's the thing. Most men see through the rubbish but women seem to be acting as handmaidens to these eejits. God knows why. Probably youth mixed in with men knowing fine rightly that there are many within our number who can't be trusted.

Well there was that trollwoman who tweeted rape threats (to a woman) when the new £10 note image was being decided. Not the brightest bulb in the box there.

Looking at advanced history, probably a woman.

It's very depressing that woman can actively support her rights being trashed

I love it when TRAs come on here to rant. Wilful disobedience to the #nodebate decreed by TRA headquarters never ends well.

Lyra you've broken the rules and now the inevitable has happened. You've peak transed dozens of women.

Do try and remember that, despite being mere wimmin, this site has members who are journalists, politicians, barristers, judges, police officers, MPs, scientists, policy makers - and millionaires.

You know, those whom you have dismissed, quite disastrously, as 'a tragic outpost of the seventies'.

I'm seriously agrieved that 'Lyra' thinks he can take the name of a female character who gets to be awesome without having to restort to male stereotypes. He's clearly a bloke, a thick one at that.

Only kick arse girls get to use the name Lyra. My daughter being one.

Nah it's not her - Shania Twain was singing about the trans ideology a few years ahead of the curve. It's "man: I feel like a woman" not "man, I feel like a woman". Think about it...

Beth from Portishead maybe? Anyone else?

cross post Mrs TP !

I've just thought of one woman who 'feels like a woman'. So they could apply to Labour All Women Shortlists.

So the entire future of women's politics is going to be run by TIMs and Shania Twain? Good stuff.

Eamonn
I have always wondered how these people find glory in competing against women too.

It totally goes against any ethical sporting principle

Is it Shania Twain? Are Americans allowed on UK shortlists?

wee odious arsepiece

Arf.

And yes to circle jerk and being vare important on the red eye.

If it quacks like a duck...

I've just thought of one woman who 'feels like a woman'. So they could apply to Labour All Women Shortlists.

Who is campaigning against trans rights? What rights are those? Do you mean that list of demands enumerating all the things people claiming to be trans must be given promptly and without question? Shot yourselves in the foot wit that one, d00d.
Women are campaigning for women's rights, which is a perfectly appropriate thing for women to do.

Donkey! Are you on twitter?

No, Jeaux. If I were, I'd probably spend half my day in crazy-making arguments with TRAs like Lyra. Talking to the wonderful women of Mumsnet is a far better use of my internet time. But I'm glad my post resonated.

The point is that popular opinion does not determine whether or not something is true, nor does the amount of time people believe an idea. So perhaps for the next 5, 50 or 500 years people will believe that men can be women by invoking the magic words 'i feel like a woman'. It may simply be the latest religious idea to take hold. So perhaps the world has moved on but it's foolish to think the world is on some progress escalator and that things always go forward rather than back.

That is so true Desiderio and this is why I don't have confidence that rationality will eventually win out in the trans debate. Especially now that the internet has fractured, probably irreparably, the funding model for journalism, respect for facts and civil debate, and many people's grasp on reality. With the election of Trump, the rise of the white nationalist far right and the authoritarian far left, the demise of the fourth estate and the continuing march of postmodernism through academia, I can't shake the feeling that we are moving towards a new Dark Age, with the rapid acceptance of extremist trans ideology being only one manifestation of that.

Sorry to be so gloomy.

Let's keep fighting anyway

I came out of lurking to thank lyra for prompting me to donate some money to the cause... and I'm not even a Labour voter.

I may be generalising but trans people seem to love making everything about themselves and being faux offended

I think though, that is transactivists. There are loads of lovely transsexuals out there who are being thrown under the bus almost as much as women are by this bunch of idiots.

Fabulous posts Desiderio.

I may be generalising but trans people seem to love making everything about themselves and being faux offended

Most I've come across online are narcissistic and obnoxious.

The whole thing is narcissistic imo. What guy wants to win a title in a woman's sport? How anyone can celebrate that is a mystery to me.

I love the number 13.

@prickly I worry I'm almost overpreachy in my quest to promote equality and female strength in my stories - I think my readers must just eyeroll. I only started writing as a passive aggressive way of putting right someone else's fanfic (in canon a male character died and a female character inherited his superpowers -the fan fic saved the man and so the girl remained normal- which is fine - but she was left completely useless and an utter waste of space. I've rewritten it so she's normal but awesome and damn clever with it.)

I even wrote an entire section of one chapter dedicated to the evil female lawyer refusing to make the coffee in a meeting (in canon she's just making it, in the background - they're not even in her office, they're in the male lawyer's, but she's making the tea! no chance!)
I've quite creeped myself out with the idea that a lot of the fanfic authors I've come across are in fact seedy men in macs. But then that might actually be less depressing than believing that so many girls think rape/non-con/sub/dom stuff is sexy.
On the other hand, it just shows how so many men think of women and their role in sexuality, as passive receptacles whose utter submission is desirable.
Thank goodness for the warning systems so I can avoid the worst!

sorry everyone else - fight the power and so on!