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Wrong side of history

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LyraPotter · 15/01/2018 16:35

Here is something I know to be true: those campaigning against trans rights will fail. Your money will be raised and spent and wasted. Your legal challenges will not succeed. Your relentless attempts to do injustice will fail. You are on the wrong side of history. Your children will grow up knowing better than you. You cannot stop progress. Your efforts are in vain.

And every time I'm proven right - every time a court judgment goes against you and every time a law protecting trans men and women is passed and every time equality is further enshrined in the laws of this country I am going to return to this thread for the pure and petty purpose of telling you I TOLD YOU SO.

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ftw · 15/01/2018 17:17

I will, however, be morally, logically and scientifically right, even if the patriarchy chooses not to acknowledge it, so, you know, .

Putyourdamnshoeson · 15/01/2018 17:16

stitch that's exactly it. They have to admit that it's not a tiny gang of awful women who hate them.its a large group of women and sone men who have no appetite for hate, they simply want to have a real discussion about actual implications
Their rhetoric is at risk and their bubble has been breached.

QueenOfTheAndals · 15/01/2018 17:15

@DodoPatrol Good point. I wish someone would focus on why there are so many teenage girls transitioning and what society says about being a woman that makes them so afraid.

Instead they focus on men who stamp their feet and demand access to women's toilets, change rooms, refuges and shortlists.

guardianfree · 15/01/2018 17:14

Can't better Lily Maynard:
The one thing that unifies woman- infertile women, post-menopausal women, menstruating women, breast-feeding women, lesbian women, het women, young women, old women, feminine women, GNC women – even women who think they are men -is our biological experience of being female-bodied. THAT is what a woman is and that is what the word woman describes. Females bleed. They give birth. They feed their young. Not every woman experiences these things but when it comes down to it, we all know what a woman is. We all came out of one.

History will judge those who medically mutilated young children, who gaslighted a generation of adolescents into believing that they could assuage the effects of puberty by 'changing their sex' and who have so little respect for women that they trample all over the rights of vulnerable women and children in order to validate their own personal decisions.

Battleax · 15/01/2018 17:14

Bless Grin

"Women, shut up, sit down, give way."

That'll work Smile

stitchglitched · 15/01/2018 17:12

I think there is some shock at the level of fundraising and also the high number of individual donors. They can no longer dismiss anyone with concerns as just a small minority on twitter.

DodoPatrol · 15/01/2018 17:11

However, well done for remembering to mention trans men, Lyra.

Please would you campaign for a greater voice for trans men, whenever trans rights are mentioned? I suspect that those with female bodies and genuine dysmorphia are caught between a rock and a hard place.

This is affecting ever-growing numbers of our younger friends, poor sods.

thecraftyfox · 15/01/2018 17:11

Is this supposed to be a proclamation or something? It's hardly I have a dream or "this is not the end, this is not even the beginning of the end". I rate your speech 1 out of 5 for an attempt at portentous but lacking in substance and a silly ending.

Cocolepew · 15/01/2018 17:11

Uh-huh.

EamonnWright · 15/01/2018 17:11

Someone is rattled Smile

HermioneWeasley · 15/01/2018 17:11

That’s nice for you dear. In the meantime I will continue fighting against sterilising gay kids and forcing rape victims to share intimate space with men.

TinyRick · 15/01/2018 17:10

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Wrong side of history
AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 15/01/2018 17:09

Guess the fundraising touched a nerve?

Alltheprettyseahorses · 15/01/2018 17:09

Really. Cos encouraging kids to mutilate themselves always looks great in hindsight.

Do you know, I am really pissed off. We've had the vote for less than 100 years and every right we've had is going. I'm not having it.

Ereshkigal · 15/01/2018 17:06

Yep. Lyra's Brave New World sounds a bit shit frankly. Perhaps she'll realise that. When it's too late.

MadamMinacious · 15/01/2018 17:04

Cool story Bro.

Honestly if the future is a world where we cannot legitimately discuss biological differences and the fact that they are predominantly the reason for female issues and concerns and for the oppression of women (reproductive rights, abortion, FGM, equal pay, maternity laws, maternal mortality, stigmas and taboos of menstruation and numerous other matters) then I don't really give a flying fuck about being on the 'right side of history'. If the future means vulnerable children mutilate themselves rather than understand what is making them unhappy, women's sports become meaningless, female prisoners, mental health patients, rape and sexual abuse survivors are put in danger and not allowed space to recover without being confronted by male bodies, I don't care to be on the 'right side' and if men are the figures that will be representing women in the future on all these issues and more on the understanding that they know what they are talking about because of a nebulous feeling - the 'right side of history' can bore off - I don't want it.

Like I said, cool story bro.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 15/01/2018 17:02

Nope.

The class actions are going to come for the likes of you Lyra who supported the child abuse and butchering of children's healthy bodies, and support for their life long dependence on drugs, rendering them sterile with little sexual function.

stitchglitched · 15/01/2018 17:01

The only 'right' being denied to trans people is the right to force women to validate them and pretend they are literally women. Threats, doxing, emotional manipulation, gaslighting, none of it is working on many women who would be natural allies of gender non-conforming individuals who wanted their own services, representation and safe spaces.

Transgender people aren't being denied any rights in the UK that others have- in fact being allowed to self define their way into a protected characteristic against equality legislation is something no one else would ever be allowed to do. The only good thing is that the constant entitlement at the expense of others is peak transing people in their droves.

GetDownDog · 15/01/2018 17:00

According to lots of men women are always on the wrong side of history, so nothing's new here.
Hopefully it'll raise the profile so that the mainstream population will have a grasp of what's going on, and prevent women from being thrown under the bus. Again.

Fekko · 15/01/2018 16:59

Yawn. Yaaaaawn. Yaaaaaaaaaaaawnnnnnnn.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 15/01/2018 16:58

Umm, I don't think anyone is campaigning against trans rights (as an.aside what rights do trans folk not already have?)

What people are campaigning against is the erosion of women's rights.

I would be interested in your answers to these questions OP?

rebeccarc.com/2018/01/14/some-basic-questions-about-sex-and-gender-for-progressives/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

corlan · 15/01/2018 16:58

To be fair, women have always been on the wrong side of history but, slowly and surely, over the centuries we have made progress.
As others have said, I am not against trans rights but I am against the erosion of my, and more importantly to me, my daughters' rights.
My children will grow up to thank me for standing up for their rights as women.

Ereshkigal · 15/01/2018 16:57

Oh Lyra, you're good value, I'll give you that Grin

SamanthaBrique · 15/01/2018 16:57

Tumblr's that way dear...

PocketCoffeeEspresso · 15/01/2018 16:55

S'funny, because I can't think of any time in history where mutilating healthy bodies and sterilizing children was looked back on with pride.

The trampling on womens' rights, yeah, I'll give you that one, lots of people are pretty proud of themselves about that, both in history and now.