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Wrong side of history

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LyraPotter · 15/01/2018 16:35

Here is something I know to be true: those campaigning against trans rights will fail. Your money will be raised and spent and wasted. Your legal challenges will not succeed. Your relentless attempts to do injustice will fail. You are on the wrong side of history. Your children will grow up knowing better than you. You cannot stop progress. Your efforts are in vain.

And every time I'm proven right - every time a court judgment goes against you and every time a law protecting trans men and women is passed and every time equality is further enshrined in the laws of this country I am going to return to this thread for the pure and petty purpose of telling you I TOLD YOU SO.

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CAAKE · 19/01/2018 14:16

I donated in lovely Lyra's name and I've just had this email from gofundme. The TAs have been busy -

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bambambini · 19/01/2018 14:05

I think she’s saying it falls under defamation or similar. Trying to blacken someone’s name by falsely associating them with “a hate group or action” etc.

It was unwise for folk to use the names of well known transfolk but I think she’s being drama llama about it. She’s all over the place.

OlennasWimple · 19/01/2018 13:43

I think the Jack Munroe tweet is because someone donated to the GoFundMe under the name "Liam Madigan". Jack Munroe tweeted to him that she can send him details of a lawyer if he wants (which is all very odd - I'm not sure what offence has been committed here?)

Deadlylampshade · 19/01/2018 12:40

Does Jack Munroe identify as Jack Munroe anymore?

Datun · 19/01/2018 12:39

But the donor hasn't used Monroe's name for commercial gain.

What's she going to sue over?

Whensday · 19/01/2018 12:38

Can't we say we identify as Jack Monroe?

Deadlylampshade · 19/01/2018 12:37

stop saying her name, it just encourages her

Fekko · 19/01/2018 12:34

She loves to sue. What if your name really is Jack Monroe?

Deadlylampshade · 19/01/2018 12:33

Well she can fuck off and all

TitaniasCloset · 19/01/2018 12:32

Jack Monroe has tweeted that if anyone contributes to the fund in her name she will sue, she must have read this thread I'm thinking?

Deadlylampshade · 19/01/2018 12:13

The idea that a woman is no more than a castrated man is a story as old as time unfortunately

BigChocFrenzy · 19/01/2018 11:57

and a man who has his penis cut off is a castrated man, never a woman

BigChocFrenzy · 19/01/2018 11:56

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A WOMAN WITH A PENIS !

SamanthaBrique · 19/01/2018 11:43

Been away from this thread for a few days but disappointed that Lyra hasn't returned. Looks like the I TOLD YOU SO may have backfired on her. Such a shame...

LangCleg · 19/01/2018 11:38

They are using the abuser tactics of DARVO. Deny, Accuse, Reverse Victim And Offender.

Thank you. That's perfect.

I think I might take a couple days off the internet. I can feel my posts becoming more intemperate as my frustration is at rage monster levels. Not helpful!

BarrackerBarmer · 19/01/2018 10:29

circle jerk

Funny, isn't it it, we don't even need to see or hear some men to KNOW they are men.

Hey OP. Give it up. You can't persuade, entreat, bully or threaten women into giving up their rights. Women are defending ourselves against a bunch of sexist, woman-hating men who are trying to push us around, tell us who we are and what we are allowed to do.

Dude, this fight isnt new to us. We've been doing this for milennia. You think you're the first bloke to think he gets to browbeat women into doing what a man wants?

Sit back, smallfry. Women are talking.

thebewilderness · 19/01/2018 00:57

Why does every naysayer always have everything backwards?
They are using the abuser tactics of DARVO. Deny, Accuse, Reverse Victim And Offender.
I do not know if all trans activists are abusive authoritarians but they are using the well documented tactics and tools of the abuser.

Vicxy · 19/01/2018 00:11

An advanced search for 'transmen' turned up 500 results.

Also currently a 200+ post thread on transmen on the AIBU front page right now.

Transwomen are discussed more frequently as..well as this is the feminism section, feminists are all about womens rights. And womens rights are being threatened by transactivists and their likes. Ontop of this, near every media story is about transwomen, transwomens voices are louder, it is transwomen (or rather, people claiming to be transwomen) who are pressuring young lesbians into sucking ladydick, and a cultlike mantra does not seem to exist for transmen, its all 'transwomen are women!' So yes, transwomen are discussed more often.

To say they are never discussed is really quite ridiculous.

blackberryfairy · 18/01/2018 23:46

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IrkThePurist · 18/01/2018 23:45

southboundagain
I'm with you, OP. I also don't think I've ever seen a single discussion on Mumsnet mention transmen, as if they don't exist.

An advanced search for 'transmen' turned up 500 results.

www.mumsnet.com/SearchArch?mustmatch=transmen&dontmatch=&nickname=&src_displ_option=s_m_d_m&fromDate=&toDate=18%2F01%2F18&topicmode=All&availtops=-1

ScepticShrew · 18/01/2018 23:42

To be women and to speak means that we are forever on the wrong side of HIStory. Thankfully we've reached a point that women know that it's time to focus on HERstory instead. Lyra, I hope you wake up before it's too late and you find yourself on the wrong side of OURstory.

coldcanary · 18/01/2018 23:34

southbound have you read the posts before yours or did you x post? I’m talking about my daughter, vicxy has spoken about her own experience and others have talked about how they would fit in this criteria.
I’m so new to this whole thing I keep having to google acronyms but even I can see that that trans men are discussed on here. Maybe not as much as tw but it’s still there.

LangCleg · 18/01/2018 23:27

I'm with you, OP. I also don't think I've ever seen a single discussion on Mumsnet mention transmen, as if they don't exist.

Absolute rubbish! Transmen are constantly mentioned on here - BECAUSE THEY ARE IGNORED BY THE TRANSACTIVIST MOVEMENT.

We spend a lot of time scratching our heads over it because the fools who buy into this ideology believe that transmen have male privilege so don't need affirmative action like TIMs do. We wonder how blind you have to be to not see that this means the penis people get preferential treatment over the vagina people within transactivism and that this is the same old sexism.

Why does every naysayer always have everything backwards? It's Alice through the bloody Looking Glass every single time.

southboundagain · 18/01/2018 23:20

I'm with you, OP. I also don't think I've ever seen a single discussion on Mumsnet mention transmen, as if they don't exist.

Vicxy · 18/01/2018 23:12

I unfortunately think LGB is tied to the T for the forseeable future. Ruth Hunt will see to that. Add to this that it seems to be only lesbians who are affected by this...

It would take a large amount of transmen trying to pressure gay men into shagging people with vaginas, to see the gay community actually stand with lebians, I fear.