Wrong side of history

Lyra dear, even if we do lose this battle, and every other legal and moral battle we fight, two things will never change.

Women will always rise up and fight for their rights. You can’t keep us down. We will always come back fighting.

And

Transwomen will always be men. That is the ultimate battle that you will never win. You can keep saying that you’re women till you’re blue in the face, you can make other people say it, but it does not change the fact that. You. Are. Men. And EVERYONE knows that. Straight men do not want you as sexual partners. Lesbians do not want you as sexual partners. Because you are men and NOTHING will ever change that, no matter how many laws you pass and no matter how much you steal from women.

Good night ladies - I'm up in the middle of the night for a flight so I'm going to bed.

Course you are AMIRITE?

Au contraire Lyra We're women and can multi-task

Bye, its been fun. Dont let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.

Is it safe to google what circle jerk means or no?! 

@DonkeySkin - beautifully put

I don't know about the other women here but the reason I know I'm on the right side of history is that I used to agree with Lyra. I spent a lot of my time in LGBT spaces, often with trans and GNC people and used everyone's pronouns and would have been a lovely ally (I still am in many ways). And the trans and GNC people I knew, and still know, were great. Allies to women as well.

But I will not see women excluded and endangered by self-ID. I will not have women silenced on periods, abortions, breastfeeding, FGM and other messy female biological issues because it's transphobic to talk about them. I won't see young lesbians bullied into sex they don't want with penises they didn't ask for. I don't think women's prisons should have penises in them. Or shelters, refuges or AWSs. And women should be able to gather and organize without fear of male violence.

Beyond may I hand you a Pride of Britain award for Lyra's contribution to the fund!

It's a rookie mistake Sophocles

who want nothing less than absolute equality for all

Yes, dear. Of course, dear.

I'm at a loss to explain why you are supporting a bourgeois male supremacist movement, in that case.

Since victory is apparently assured, do come back to us in fifty years time to report from the Empire of the Posh White Penis. I'd love to hear from you.

That tweet that said 'I accept trans women as women except for relationship purposes' is just...... Well, it just sums up everything really as well.

I saw that tweet a couple of days ago and watching that fella try and dig himself out of that hole was hilarious! What a tool!

trans may be adopted as an opportunistic label for personal benefit.

But notably, only when women do it.

How do women circle jerk? Do we each hold each others vibrators? Bit weird, I prefer a nice knitting circle myself.

Distaff - I’d forgotten about that, underlines the issue neatly doesn’t it

It always tickles me when a poster rocks up who so obviously thinks that MN is populated by BORING OLD MUMSY TYPES WHO KNOW NOTHING

It's just such an...adolescent...view. Mums can't be anything except mums. We're all, "you're not going out like that, young lady", and "have you done your homework?", and "Is your room tidy?" and we have crap hair and bad taste in music, everything we know came from the 70s, and we're just embarrassing anachronisms.

It's almost hilariously ignorant.

FtM trans are not allowed to inherit peerages, I believe.

True, but MtFs are (presumably because lots of toffs enjoy wearing their wife's knickers and can see a time when this might impact them.)

So sadly - it's a women's rights issue not a trans one. I can't imagine TRAs want to touch this one with a ten foot lady penis

Ooh Icantreach

Hope you're not being terfy

The thing is, you can laugh at 13k, but 13k being raised in a couple of days with a not-very-well publicised gofundme account... I'm sorry but we aren't a minority.

If history judges us then the future is full of authoritarian morons who are still seeking to oppress women. Fuck 'em.

Another fiver donated, Lyra.

I'm glad you're happy about that, but frankly, it's not for you. It's for my daughters.

Excellent post Donkey.

what rights currently aren’t available to trans people?

FtM trans are not allowed to inherit peerages, I believe. Because when it comes down to brass tacks, those in power understand that, a) you can't change sex, b) trans may be adopted as an opportunistic label for personal benefit.

But some of the shouters don’t want equality - they want more, everything, to put down and lessen the value of the thing they actually aspire to (actual, genuine, original-and-best-women). Very odd logic.

Lol @ Lyra thinking she (or he) is progressive and open minded.

How do women circle jerk? Do we each hold each others vibrators? Bit weird, I prefer a nice knitting circle myself.

That twitter thread from the man who accepts trans women as women apart from for relationship purposes

ie 'I accept trans women as women unless it's going to personally impact me in anyway' - I think if he manages to pull his head out of his arsehole and peer through the myopia of his own misogyny he might notice that his stance is not dissimilar to those he calls bigots. He is a terf, and should probably die in a fire - why has no one told him this?

As a short (technically average height for his time) not so great and massively overrated man once said, 'history is a set of lies agreed upon.' therefore if we're on the 'wrong side of history'...that means we're the ones telling the truth?
Being on the right side of Biology would seem to back that theory up.